What I find funny is competitors offering 50% more, while knowing you will be joining without knowing their internal intricacies, yet the current employer doesn’t want to match it even though you are already well versed in their systems. So, as discussed, pay me 50% more or I go.
What’s with “As discussed”?
Corporate email way of saying “I already told you. Are you not listening?”
Or maybe a reminder to actually fulfill the agreed upon contract. But that would assume, he is a lying cheapskate, which is very unrealistic for a CEO…
Meh, I use ‘as discussed’ when I want to commit something I have discussed over the phone, to email. So there is a paper trail when the thing that was discussed doesn’t happen, or gets fucked up somehow.
It is also a way of alluding to something without stating it in a digital paper trail. Most of the corporate climbers I’ve known are like this with email. They’ll say something on the phone but avoid putting it in email.
The #hiring tag on the profile picture is the cherry on top
Nobody wants to pay wages anymore
This guy expect people to assume all the risks associated with starting at a new company (without whatever network they’ve built up) for free?
In the job they’re in, people already know the scope of the job they have to do as well as the quality of the work environment and colleagues they have, plus have the comfort of a well established routine, whilst at a new job they don’t - moving jobs is both a disruption and a risk so it is absolutely natural for people to only do it if they either have no other choice or stand to gain from taking that risk.
Only suckers move jobs for no gain.
That said, the “gain” needs even not be more pay (for example great career opportunities or interesting projects can also work), it’s just that from the point of view of a prospective employee, more money is a low risk benefit (because it’s pretty much guaranteed since it’s there black and white in a contract), whilst things like promises of great career opportunities or working in interesting projects are high risk because they might just be bullshit, oversold or not materialize for some reason or other, so in the risk-reward calculus in the mind of anybody with even the most basic business sense, a low risk reward is worth more than an equivalent reward with higher risk, so more money tends to be preferred.
That this guy can’t actually understand what is a pretty basic piece of human Economic thinking leads me to believe that he probably has no other option than to offer more money because either he has nothing else to offer that would attract people away from other companies, people simply don’t trust his promises or overselling of how great working in his company is or they fear that a job at a company he is managing is more likely to be lost due to the company failing.
If an employer doesn’t think I am worth it and won’t pay me more without asking I’d rather find one that apreciates what I do and leave. Last place I worked had every VP call me and ask if they could do anything or pay me more. Welp should’ve asked me that a year ago mate. They also said misogynistic things and made it a lot easier to leave lol.
I’m reading his post the other way around: I think he is bitching and moaning about having to offer a lot more money to attract somebody from the competition.
The situation were somebody has already chosen to leave and the opde employers offers more money as a last ditch effort to keep that employee is a whole different affair with, as you pointed out, the whole element that them offering you more money when you’re about to leave means that they’ve knowingly been underpaying you all along.
“As discussed” means your people don’t trust your lying ass. You bet I’m gonna send you an email with all the shit you want me to do, but can’t be bothered to send me in a clear traceable email.
Tell me you are underpaying your employees without telling me you are underpaying your employees.
it’s not asking for a 50% raise… it’s giving you the opportunity to retain talent and knowledge for the same rate as a competitor has offered
Never take the counter offer though. Take the new gig. If your employer didn’t value you they arent going to suddenly start. They are just buying time to find a replacement.
I’m sure someone will fill the need to tell me of the 1% times it works out but in general it’s almost always better to take the new gig.
If you’re not going to take the counter offer, why even bring it up? I suppose it would be a message to your old boss that they ought to offer more when seeking your replacement, but they won’t. Maybe you could share the information with the person most likely to be forced into doing all your work under their old title and at their old wage.
I think there are two paths:
- unsolicited. I put in my notice, boss asks how much I’m getting offered and makes a counteroffer.
- solicited. I get an offer and let my boss know a company is offering X and ask if they’ll give Y.
I think the line of thinking of intentionally trying to get a counteroffer is that if you get a counter offer you could take it to the new employer and try to get them to match. In a worker’s market that might get you some more money but in a employer’s market your only real choice is to go with the new employer. Does it hurt to ask? Maybe not, but id rather not risk it since at that stage you’ve already informed your boss of the new job offer so if anything goes wrong, your old employer is still going to start looking for a replacement.
Ofc, at the time salary is discussed you are talking with HR so it’s slightly less risk, but they still might have a candidate #2 and #3 on standby.
“You’re asking for another raise? We gave you that huge one two years ago”
That huge raise: 1.5%
as the CEO gives themself a 10% raise every quarter, along with bonuses larger than your monthly pay
That
huge raisecost of living adjustment (that doesn’t even make up for wage lost through inflation.)
this is what walmart pulled, my state required them to raise the minimum wage to 13$ about 2 years prior to them doing it across the board, they applied the raise and then used the raise which they were forced to do, as the next 2 years worth of excuses for the lack of cost of living increase.
