To win on social issues, the Left has to develop the cultural competence to connect progressive goals with working-class priorities. The gay marriage fight offers a formula for appealing to ordinary Americans’ values without giving up on social progress.
Disgusting take.
Show me a time MLK spoke out about gay rights and I’ll delete.
He was a general fighting a war; he knew there were some battles that couldn’t be won.
I don’t know anything about that and I’m willing to accept it is true for the sake of discussion. That’s not what I found disgusting.
Well, whatever you do, don’t tell me what the problem is, because then it might get fixed.
You’re fine with the oppression of people that aren’t you. Ends justify the means mentality.
By that logic, every abolitionist who didn’t pick up a gun in 1820 and start killing slave owners was fine with slavery.
By that logic, every doctor who can’t cure every patient is a murderer.
There are things that are possible and things that aren’t.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln in 1860, even though there was an abolitionist candidate. Douglas looked at the situation dispassionately and decided that it was better to support the moderate Lincoln, who did not promise to end slavery.
Also, the gay man I mentioned never called King out, because that guy knew you have to pick your battles.
Yeah man they knew to pick their battles in a time where black people were a legally distinct second class. They didn’t bring gay issues into it because that wasnt the fight. Black gay men in the 60s were more worried about the fact it was illegal for them to sit at a counter as black people than their individual persecution for being gay. You have no excuse to not care about the persecution of individuals for being gay. Gtfo. This is the fight now, so shut the fuck up.
All your examples are people putting their personal convictions aside for the ultimate good, which you are not doing. People in 1820 who didn’t pick up guns WERE okay with slavery.
You’re doing the exact opposite of that guy, because you’re saying stop fighting for the rights of your own people because my personal feelings about it are more important, you absolute nonce. Way to completely distort and misunderstand your own point.
That is an internet classic.
You are correct that there is very little that MLK had to say about gay rights, however that does not mean that you can take that absence of evidence and ascribe whatever meaning you want to it.
When did MLK state that was his reason for staying silent on gay rights?
If you nothing about the history of the fight for LGBTQIA+ rights, a good place to start is “Before Stonewall.”
https://youtu.be/SLwE45vd80A
You’re deflecting. When did MLK state that was his reason for remaining silent?
Why do his reasons matter?
He decided that LGBTQIA+ wasn’t a priority. Can you prove otherwise?
His reasons matter because you claim to know his reasons:
He was largely silent on LGBTQIA+ matters and so his reasons are unknowable. You cannot take the lack of evidence and ascribe whatever meaning you would like to it. Double so for proving the negative using that lack of evidence.
Have you ever actually spoken to anyone who was alive before the year 2000 AD?
You can actually make reasonable inferences based on what we know of the time.
By your logic, we couldn’t know why FDR didn’t draft women into the military or why Lincoln didn’t have a Native Vice President.
You can not infer someone’s motives and opinions whole cloth. Let’s use your example:
There is a lot of documentation surrounding that with FDR explicitly making a push to draft women as well he explicitly stated his reasoning why and urges Congress to do so. You can go through the historical record on why it passed the house, why it was restricted to nursing roles etc. Had the war not ended it almost certainly would’ve been enacted.
FDR did explicitly want to draft women even though it was contrary to public opinion at the time, however the lack of dictatorship powers is why history played out the way it did.