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  • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldHulk Hogan?
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    8 hours ago

    Lol it had found its way (via a different user) to the .ml meme comm where I picked it up for cross-posting. But yea, already upvoted there since it was on !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

    Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

    I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

    Megathread on the issue

    Some highlights from the link:

    "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

    “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

    .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

    “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

    General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

    “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

    And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

    I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

    On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.




  • That’s not actually that simple of a question, so don’t feel bad lol

    It’s not a code issue, but Lemmy is written in Rust and while being a pretty decent language, it is also a bit of a difficult one to master. So there’s just not a whole lot of open source capable Rust devs out there who can take on such a commitment. If Lemmy had been written in any number of popular languages, like JavaScript, C#, Python etc it probably would have been forked awhile ago just because of the .ml issues

    If it’s a Lemmy specific issue, why is being federated with .ml more important than the health of the wider verse?

    There are a few reasons that crop up, 1) .ml still has some very niche comms that haven’t been created elsewhere and heavyish traffic (which I hope to fix with the boycotting) and 2) if an instance “burns the bridge” there’s concern that dessalines would take it personally and be less likely to help an instance admin on technical issues

    Many think that migrating to PieFed long term will be the way forward which is an alternative to Lemmy without any political baggage. That or someone rewrites Lemmy in a more opensource friendly language and then it can be a drop in replacement for instance admins lol

    But yea, there’s concern that this Tankie culture they cultivate as currently preventing wider uptake and damaging the outside rep of the Threadiverse


  • Welcome! This comm serves as a place for documentation of tankies on the Threadiverse. My megathread here has a slightly longer intro

    But, in a nutshell, lemmy.ml is one of 3 instances that are mostly run by Tankies (Those who simp for authoritarian governments that merely claim to be communistic (China/NK) or otherwise “fighting against the evil west” (Russia)) known as the “Tankie Triad”. So they’ll do things like spread the Russian narrative that Ukraine is “full of Nazis”.

    They’ll also censor you (and later, ban) if you post things they deem to be against their “ideology” under one of 2 instance “catch-all” rules. Rule 1 - “No Bigotry” or Rule 2 - "Be respectful.

    Yours got censored under catchall rule 1, no bigotry.

    The unfortunate problem with .ml is that it also has the notoriety as being the "dev run instance " as well, so most instances are quite hesitant to defederate from them, unlike the other 2 instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) who are largely considered to be worse than .ml and widely defederated from. The main devs, dessalines and Nutomic are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies. Nearly all censoring actions on .ml though are done by dessalines and another admin, davel.

    So the next best thing we can do as users is a general call to “boycott” their instance and not post comments or posts on a .ml comm. To choose to post to and grow other alternative comms that are off-.ml, no matter how big the comm on .ml looks (this also just leads to a better overall healthier Threadiverse). And to document things as we go, like I’ve done here











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