Dude was obviously baited into a staged situation. Words are worthless anyways. People that focus on words are imbeciles. Actions are what matter. Words are as hollow and meaningless as intentions.

These propaganda posts need to go. Nothing about this is news or relevant. It is Goebbels’ Garbage.

  • dan1101@lemm.eeEnglish
    2·
    7 days ago

    Yep if Trump wanted those minerals so bad (borderline extortion) why did he and his lapdog immediately fuck up the meeting? Either he’s stupid (entirely possible) or it was a setup and they never planned for the deal to go through. Maybe trying to get further concessions from Ukraine.

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldEnglish
      02·
      7 days ago

      You haven’t watched the whole thing did you?

      First of all it was Trump who wanted and came up with the deal, why would it be “a setup and they never planned for the deal to go through”?
      It was Zelensky that fucked up, went off script and tried to hijack the event, insulted Trump many times during the more cordial first 40 minutes.

      1). Trump said USA gave most money to Ukraine, Z said no they didn’t, EU gave more, Trump said no we did, Z started arguing, Trump smiled, said well discuss it later, patted Z on the back.

      2). Zelensky said the war was between Ukraine and Russia, and that USA could be allowed in negotiation after peace as a partner… And I think this really pissed off Vance and Trump.

      3). Zelensky said that “maybe if you believe the Russian lies,” in response to one of Trump’s statements, as if he was on r/politics.

      4). he trotted out those pictures, with that condescending tone, acting like Trump is just a big orange dummy that needs his kindergarten lesson in war. He literally talks to Trump like he is a child while handing him the pictures.

      Think about #4 for a minute to get a grasp on the arrogance. Do you think pows were not discussed behind close doors? Of course they were. So Z trots out these pictures like Trump was unaware of the situation, handing him pictures like he was going to give Trump a lesson, and this might be when Vance started to lose his cool.

      Also his little coke twitches became more apparent after some time.
      He can’t pretend to be normal for 40 minutes.

  • AnIndefiniteArticle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    5 days ago

    EDIT: Yeah, I got rid of it. I had some poor and unclear word choice. I was just trying to say that Zelenskyy’s face is very communicative. He’s a skilled actor who can emote with his face and body language to communicate his position to the audience, at times without even having to get a word in edgewise. His time on TV as a comedian gave him a lot of practice. Communication is a great skill for a leader; subtle communication is a great skill during war. He clarified Ukraine’s position, and got Trump to clarify America’s change of course. He could have handled America’s heel turn in many different ways. He chose not to rise to the aggression and barbs being flung. He just clarified his country’s position and got Trump to focus on how much he wants the “raw earth”. Zelenskyy did a great job with what little he could say to guide the short exchange to expose America’s position behind Putin, and that we are only interested in Ukraine to plunder its mineral wealth.