• Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    Why do his reasons matter?

    He decided that LGBTQIA+ wasn’t a priority. Can you prove otherwise?

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      1 month ago

      His reasons matter because you claim to know his reasons:

      “King never spoke out publicly about gay rights because he knew it would be a giant distraction.”

      He was largely silent on LGBTQIA+ matters and so his reasons are unknowable. You cannot take the lack of evidence and ascribe whatever meaning you would like to it. Double so for proving the negative using that lack of evidence.

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        1 month ago

        Have you ever actually spoken to anyone who was alive before the year 2000 AD?

        You can actually make reasonable inferences based on what we know of the time.

        By your logic, we couldn’t know why FDR didn’t draft women into the military or why Lincoln didn’t have a Native Vice President.

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          You can actually make reasonable inferences

          You can not infer someone’s motives and opinions whole cloth. Let’s use your example:

          we couldn’t know why FDR didn’t draft women

          There is a lot of documentation surrounding that with FDR explicitly making a push to draft women as well he explicitly stated his reasoning why and urges Congress to do so. You can go through the historical record on why it passed the house, why it was restricted to nursing roles etc. Had the war not ended it almost certainly would’ve been enacted.

          FDR did explicitly want to draft women even though it was contrary to public opinion at the time, however the lack of dictatorship powers is why history played out the way it did.

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            FDR did explicitly want to draft women even though it was contrary to public opinion at the time, however the lack of dictatorship powers is why history played out the way it did.

            Kind of proving my point there.

            FDR had way more power than King, but found his hands tied because of public opinion.

            If you’d done any research at all, you’d have known that homophobia in the 1960s was so common that even the barest hint of it in a movie was considered shocking.

            And since you have been doing so much reading, let me reverse the question back to you.

            Provide me one other reasonable explanation for King not mentioning LGBTQIA+ besides the one I gave.

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              You are completely missing the point.

              You first made an unprovable claim based on pure speculation.

              King never spoke on gay rights because he knew it would be a giant distraction.

              You then made a bogus strawman, again, based entirely on speculation.

              We couldn’t know why FDR didn’t include women in the draft.

              I was using that strawman to demonstrate how your personal perspectives on a time do not constitute reality and how you have to do some actual fucking research before you say dumb shit like you keep doing.

              Provide me one other reasonable explanation for King not mentioning LGBTQIA+ besides the one I gave.

              I was hoping you’d be semi-competent and be able to find one of, if not the only, times that MLK did speak about LGBTQIA+ issues which was in an advice column written in 1958.

              Find it, and tell me what you think.

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                You know what the funniest thing about you is?

                You remind me of the heteronormative historians who will look at a same sex couple who lived together for decades, wrote passionate love letters to each other, and openly walked hand in had through their town, and then the historians will say there is no proof that they were sexually involved.

                Believe what you want. I’m not obliged to follow this any further.

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                  With that amount of vitriol I’m guessing you found it! Let’s go over our evidence shall we?

                  • homophobia in the 1960s was incredibly common
                  • one of MLK’s top advisors was an openly gay man
                  • the only writing we have from MLK on the topic states his viewpoint:1

                  “The type of feeling you have towards boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally aquired.___ You honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.”

                  • MLK was a Christian minister within a historically black protestant church (SCLC) that to this day has not made their opinions about LGBTQIA+ issues known.

                  Based on that, were I to speculate, it appears to me that MLK was typical of his time and held quite a few homophobic views himself. Not from a place of hate, but from a place of ignorance.

                  It seems far more likely than “he was an extreme outlier who deeply understood the plight of his queer allies, but alas was forced to make a 4d chess tactical decision to sacrifice them at the altar of public opinion”.

                  However, the main takeaway is that we don’t fucking know and attempting to use that uncertainty to justify sacrificing marginalized groups is disgusting.

                  In my opinion it is important for anyone who stumbles upon your dangerous, shit take to understand the place of ignorance it stems from and hoping that you aren’t so far gone that you can realize it too.

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                    1 month ago

                    So, by your logic, whatever the reason, King was disgusting because he didn’t speak out?

                    And if he isn’t disgusting, what’s the difference between him and me?