Excellent conversation. It’s about the million-dollar question of how to convince rich pampered humans to use and burn less stuff. It takes some case studies from Switzerland, which is basically the richest place on Earth. Nothing that we don’t know already but still fairly inspiring.

Huh, we lived for 10 years off grid as a couple on a 2kW solar sysyem. You just had to turn shit off ,that seems beyond most peoples ability to grasp.

We had no generator for backup.