I'm really sorry to ask but at this moment my gf and me are personally still 274 euros short for rent this month 😟 :sad_cat:
It been a rough month.. Luckily all server bills are paid for so thats the biggest part ❤️
If you can miss something, any bit would help out a lot
https://paypal.me/stuxOS
https://patreon.com/mstdn
https://ko-fi.com/mstdn
https://bunq.me/stuxhost
https://stux.me/donate
https://liberapay.com/mstdn
Boost would also be appricated a lot :blobsnuggle: 💕
Please, tell me how “paying for hardware costs is enough”…
You called me dishonest when I said that you were evading to answer your opinion on the value of the work from admins. I ask you then to make it as clear as possible, to remove any chance of doubt.
You put a bunch of links to past conversations, but you highlight things that are not the main point of the argument and take things out of context, and you have the audacity to claim you are doing it “for context”.
Now that I got wise about your games and decided to ask you to provide receipts, you continue to evade the answer and are showing you’d rather play the victim than owning up to your opinions.
That’s your perspective. People reading our current and past discussions will make their own opinions.
You want to make a living out of the platform, to make a business out of it. I prefer it to be run by volunteers. That’s the core difference between our visions. The 12 questions seem a bit much while the difference is quite obvious
I’m one self-funded developer who is stubborn enough to run this at a loss for almost 5 years now, and my greatest ambition here would be to maybe get 10-15k customers to pay me $30/year to be able to live with minimal comfort, provide for my family
Are we stuck in a loop? Because it seems that yet again you are bringing things out of context and using it as a shield to avoid giving out your opinion.
You have the time to chase things around and select clips of whatever supports your worldview, but you do not have the time to say “I don’t think admins should be compensated for their work”.
Yeah, you keep trying to end the conversation because you painted yourself to a corner and you refuse to publicly admit that you do not want to support admins and FOSS developers.
Is the previous comment not true anymore?
The whole comment is true. Including the part where I say
I’m honestly tired of this crab mentality. People think it’s a sin to be upfront about their work and how much they value their time. It’s also quite ironic that I can see the huge overlap: those who are always virtue signaling and complaining about bosses who don’t pay enough to their employees are the same ones who refuse to patronize a small independent business
Yeah, you keep trying to end the conversation because you painted yourself to a corner and you refuse to publicly admit that you do not want to support admins and FOSS developers.
No. As stated several times, I do support admins. Now do I think Lemmy admins should be able to make a living out of managing an instance? Based on what we see (Ruud comment stating that not all active users give even 2€ per year to LW, which is the largest instance), it seems unrealistic. Maybe LW starts promoting donations more and get more income soon, that would be nice to see.
I’m honestly tired of this crab mentality.
Sorry to tell you, but you’re here with the crabs. And you can try to argue all you want that people should donate more to the admins and the devs, the reality is this is not happening. People might donate a few bucks per month to their instance, but providing enough money so that several sysadmins and programmers make a living out of Lemmy?
those who are always virtue signaling and complaining about bosses who don’t pay enough to their employees are the same ones who refuse to patronize a small independent business
If you can’t see the difference between employees of companies providing millions to stakeholders and 50k monthly active users, I don’t know what to tell you.
As a general comment, your tone is always very confrontational. If you really want to start making money out of this platform, you might want to ask someone to manage your comments and posts.
Again, paying out to cover hardware costs is not the same as supporting the admins.
Now do I think Lemmy admins should be able to make a living out of managing an instance? Based on what we see (…) it seems unrealistic.
Holy $%&! what a contortionist way to avoid the response! You are sounding like a Monty Python comedy sketch.
I’m not asking what you think is “realistic”. I’m asking whether you think admins should be compensated for their work.
Should I try again, or can I just assume that your answer is “no, I do not think that admins need to be compensated for their work.” ?
Sorry to tell you, but you’re here with the crabs.
Speak for yourself, then. But at least you are starting to show some honesty and admitting that you rather pull people down to your level instead of acknowledge the value of the work done by admins and developers.
If you can’t see the difference between employees of companies providing millions to stakeholders and 50k monthly active users
You are getting at this exactly backwards.
It’s not the employees of tech companies who complain about poor pay. Quite the opposite.
And the reason that Lemmy can not grow past 50k users is because the Fediverse is stuck on a horrible culture where they refuse to even acknowledge that the work of admins and developers is valuable, so those with the skills that could take the Fediverse to the next level are not going to be sacrificing themselves to serve a bunch of people who think they are entitled to free work from others just because they themselves are not able to do it.
You called me dishonest when I said that you were evading to answer your opinion on the value of the work from admins. I ask you then to make it as clear as possible, to remove any chance of doubt.
You put a bunch of links to past conversations, but you highlight things that are not the main point of the argument and take things out of context, and you have the audacity to claim you are doing it “for context”.
Now that I got wise about your games and decided to ask you to provide receipts, you continue to evade the answer and are showing you’d rather play the victim than owning up to your opinions.
That’s your perspective. People reading our current and past discussions will make their own opinions.
You want to make a living out of the platform, to make a business out of it. I prefer it to be run by volunteers. That’s the core difference between our visions. The 12 questions seem a bit much while the difference is quite obvious
This right here is a good example of you taking things out of context and not caring about “nuance” when it is convenient to you
Is it? Then why is it so problematic for you to say:
Is this comment not true anymore?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/27053532/13176946
Are we stuck in a loop? Because it seems that yet again you are bringing things out of context and using it as a shield to avoid giving out your opinion.
You have the time to chase things around and select clips of whatever supports your worldview, but you do not have the time to say “I don’t think admins should be compensated for their work”.
I’m trying to just end this conversation, but you keep bringing stuff I have to debunk based on your previous statements.
Is the previous comment not true anymore?
Yeah, you keep trying to end the conversation because you painted yourself to a corner and you refuse to publicly admit that you do not want to support admins and FOSS developers.
The whole comment is true. Including the part where I say
I’m honestly tired of this crab mentality. People think it’s a sin to be upfront about their work and how much they value their time. It’s also quite ironic that I can see the huge overlap: those who are always virtue signaling and complaining about bosses who don’t pay enough to their employees are the same ones who refuse to patronize a small independent business
Why couldn’t you highlight this part instead?
No. As stated several times, I do support admins. Now do I think Lemmy admins should be able to make a living out of managing an instance? Based on what we see (Ruud comment stating that not all active users give even 2€ per year to LW, which is the largest instance), it seems unrealistic. Maybe LW starts promoting donations more and get more income soon, that would be nice to see.
Sorry to tell you, but you’re here with the crabs. And you can try to argue all you want that people should donate more to the admins and the devs, the reality is this is not happening. People might donate a few bucks per month to their instance, but providing enough money so that several sysadmins and programmers make a living out of Lemmy?
If you can’t see the difference between employees of companies providing millions to stakeholders and 50k monthly active users, I don’t know what to tell you.
As a general comment, your tone is always very confrontational. If you really want to start making money out of this platform, you might want to ask someone to manage your comments and posts.
Again, paying out to cover hardware costs is not the same as supporting the admins.
Holy $%&! what a contortionist way to avoid the response! You are sounding like a Monty Python comedy sketch.
I’m not asking what you think is “realistic”. I’m asking whether you think admins should be compensated for their work.
Should I try again, or can I just assume that your answer is “no, I do not think that admins need to be compensated for their work.” ?
Speak for yourself, then. But at least you are starting to show some honesty and admitting that you rather pull people down to your level instead of acknowledge the value of the work done by admins and developers.
You are getting at this exactly backwards.
It’s not the employees of tech companies who complain about poor pay. Quite the opposite.
And the reason that Lemmy can not grow past 50k users is because the Fediverse is stuck on a horrible culture where they refuse to even acknowledge that the work of admins and developers is valuable, so those with the skills that could take the Fediverse to the next level are not going to be sacrificing themselves to serve a bunch of people who think they are entitled to free work from others just because they themselves are not able to do it.