I'm really sorry to ask but at this moment my gf and me are personally still 274 euros short for rent this month 😟 :sad_cat:
It been a rough month.. Luckily all server bills are paid for so thats the biggest part ❤️
If you can miss something, any bit would help out a lot
https://paypal.me/stuxOS
https://patreon.com/mstdn
https://ko-fi.com/mstdn
https://bunq.me/stuxhost
https://stux.me/donate
https://liberapay.com/mstdn
Boost would also be appricated a lot :blobsnuggle: 💕
Please, tell me how “paying for hardware costs is enough”…
If providing a completely voluntary service is too much of a personal burden, the solution is to stop doing it. No one is being exploited, all relationships on Lemmy and Mastadon are completely voluntary by design.
Personally I don’t mind the idea of Lemmy embracing a syndicalist financial model or something of that nature but you’re simply spouting a bunch of entitled nonsense.
“Oh c’mon man, it’s your hobby, right You’d do it anyway?”
Also, it wasn’t exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for “friend prices” when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like… you guys are getting special service, and I’m your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
It also would’ve been different if there was the chances of favours in return.
So like people who could actually help with the labour or in something other way put in work, maybe they’d be okay with just covering the hosting costs, but modding a community isn’t exactly the same work as maintaining the soft- and hardware. Alone, I presume.
And also is the “hosting costs” just like the costs of the services for the hosting, or does it incorporate all the cost for electricity to run the equipment as well?
Is it lack of empathy or greed? I never really could figure that out. Feels like a bit of both.
Also, it wasn’t exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for “friend prices” when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like… you guys are getting special service, and I’m your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
Seems like bad friends, whatever the political preferences are
Read again, he is not asking to pay the server bills. It’s 1400€ (so, less than $0,10/active user/month) and he got it fully covered.
You can cut that 5x. You can cut that 10x. You can cut that 100x. It doesn’t matter. You can bet that if he brought down the prices to zero there would still be people saying “why are you asking for money then, it doesn’t cost you anything to run it!” and at the end of the month, he will still be short to make rent.
Well, it’s very easy to be the armchair expert and say how much better you’d do it. It’s another thing entirely to actually do it. You are free to prove how smart and competent you are by showing him how to do better.
In any case, it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Like I said, if people are only giving him the money to cover the hardware costs, even if it was brought down the cost to zero he would still be working for free to all the 16k users of the instance.
You’re saying he doesn’t need to do any work, that all thr work will just do itself, as long as he knows how it’s supposed to be done.
You don’t think maintaining a Mastodon instance takes any active input from the person maintaining the instance? Just knowing how to do it is enough to set up all the hardware and software required?
Yep. This is it. “Leftists” on Lemmy really love the. exploitation of free labor. As long as it’s DeCeNtrALiZeD exploitation.
If providing a completely voluntary service is too much of a personal burden, the solution is to stop doing it. No one is being exploited, all relationships on Lemmy and Mastadon are completely voluntary by design.
Personally I don’t mind the idea of Lemmy embracing a syndicalist financial model or something of that nature but you’re simply spouting a bunch of entitled nonsense.
“Oh c’mon man, it’s your hobby, right You’d do it anyway?”
Also, it wasn’t exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for “friend prices” when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like… you guys are getting special service, and I’m your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
It also would’ve been different if there was the chances of favours in return.
So like people who could actually help with the labour or in something other way put in work, maybe they’d be okay with just covering the hosting costs, but modding a community isn’t exactly the same work as maintaining the soft- and hardware. Alone, I presume.
And also is the “hosting costs” just like the costs of the services for the hosting, or does it incorporate all the cost for electricity to run the equipment as well?
Is it lack of empathy or greed? I never really could figure that out. Feels like a bit of both.
Seems like bad friends, whatever the political preferences are
Oh they were, yes, you’re 100% correct.
Leveraging connections is both very human and of variable social acceptability depending on a lot of circumstances.
What would actually make them a bad friend is not being willing to return the favor.
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How is this a response to what you replied to?
“Hosting and labor costs money”
“So it’s a lack of technical acumen” -you
What?
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Read again, he is not asking to pay the server bills. It’s 1400€ (so, less than $0,10/active user/month) and he got it fully covered.
You can cut that 5x. You can cut that 10x. You can cut that 100x. It doesn’t matter. You can bet that if he brought down the prices to zero there would still be people saying “why are you asking for money then, it doesn’t cost you anything to run it!” and at the end of the month, he will still be short to make rent.
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Well, it’s very easy to be the armchair expert and say how much better you’d do it. It’s another thing entirely to actually do it. You are free to prove how smart and competent you are by showing him how to do better.
In any case, it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Like I said, if people are only giving him the money to cover the hardware costs, even if it was brought down the cost to zero he would still be working for free to all the 16k users of the instance.
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Technical acumen?
You do realise things don’t happen just because you know how to do them? You still actually have to do them.
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So youre saying if he just knew how to do it, he wouldn’t actually need to do it?
I know how to build a medieval castle with a moat and I’d have the technical acumen to build large sustainable hydroponic gardens there as well.
So why is it that I don’t have a castle, when I know how to build one?
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You’re saying he doesn’t need to do any work, that all thr work will just do itself, as long as he knows how it’s supposed to be done.
You don’t think maintaining a Mastodon instance takes any active input from the person maintaining the instance? Just knowing how to do it is enough to set up all the hardware and software required?
Sounds rather magical to me. Please explain
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Haven’t had shrooms probably about since you were in diapers.
And I don’t drink liquor.
But hey, thanks for the input.
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