• Cethin@lemmy.zip
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    Value isn’t necessarily something tangible. It’s what other people think it’s worth. The USD doesn’t have any more value than the belief people put in it. Do you also think it has no value?

    I’m not defending crypto speculation, but it’s ignorant to say it doesn’t have value if you can buy things with it. Basically all modern money is based on faith, including crypto. Even when it’s based on gold or silver, that’s aren’t actually useful for most people so it’s still made up value worth however much people value that.

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        With the current administration, I’d argue we are definitely in “faith based” money right now.

        It was originally based on a gold reserve and then taken off to become a fiat currency. Trump is talking about potentially not paying back debts owned to other governments. Definitely sounds faith based to me, there’s nothing hard backing it.

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          It’s funny because USA has gone bankrupt several times and most people don’t even know or acknowledge it.

          Now they just print paper money and violently force people to use it for stolen oil.

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            A country, itself, cannot go “bankrupt”.

            You wanna know how we can settle debts, for pennies on the dollar, today, right now?

            Mint a 10 gajillion USD coin. Now, pay all debts. Now, destroy 10 gajillion USD coin.

            See? Impossible to go bankrupt, if you’re the buyer, generator, and seller of something, and there’s always a willing buyer.

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        That’s completely meaningless and worthless though, especially since that racist empire is literally destroying the planet with its petrol-dollars.

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        True, but that isn’t contradictory. The point is value of both of these forms of currency are made up and imaginary. They’re valuable as long as someone is willing to purchase it.

        The same is true for gold. People think it has intrinsic value, which is why it’s so easy to scam people with. The value is almost entirely based on people thinking it’s valuable though.

        I don’t like crypto-currencies. It “not having value” isn’t the correct argument to use against it though. It’s a pretty stupid one. There are plenty of good arguments that should be used instead.

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          They’re valuable as long as someone is willing to purchase it.

          Government based fiats always has the guarantee that the government will accept them to settle your taxes.

          So, as long as the government exists, there’s a buyer for the currency.

          Not the case with made up ponzicoins.

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      Basically all modern money is based on faith,

      Wrong.

      Fiat currencies are based on military might, not hopes and dreams.

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      I don’t think it’s worth the discussion, but comparing a fiat currency like the US dollar with crypto currency is a false equivalence argument. They aren’t even comparable.

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        I didn’t say they’re equivalent. I said both of them have value that is imaginary. Crypto currencies have value if you can purchase things with them. It just makes you sound dumb to say it doesn’t have value. That’s not the correct argument to make against it.