Exclusives are cancer. Computers should be able to compute everything. Nintendo’s/console strategy is an absolute travesty for human progress, like almost all capitalist strategy.
How much e-waste is generated due to equipment that could be redundant if not for exclusives. Not just the consoles either, but all the accessories.
My understanding is that the console hardware itself isn’t even that profitable, in the same way that lower-end printers are just platforms to sell ink.
I mean, yeah, but at the same time, a Nintendo game being a Nintendo exclusive product doesn’t seem that weird to me. If it was an external studio, sure. But it’s the same company. I agree that it’s annoying, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable tactic if you control the vertical and you actually DO build good hardware and software that play well together, and you want to leverage the multiplicative effect there.
Sure, I’m not unreasonable. I hate against exclusives, because I’m sure it’d be better without them, but Nintendo is not entirely terrible. It’s never completely black & white.
I guess my point is that I think of the Nintendo dynamic more charitably than I think of independent large game studios making platform exclusive titles just because some business deal was struck, simply because the latter creates the impression of vertical integration when there is in fact none.
Nintendo’s hardware used to have features that competitors lacked. The DS’s dual screens, the 3DS’s 3D top screen, the Wiimote, the Wii U’s controller with a second screen. Even the Virtual Boy did something different, though it didn’t do it well. Nintendo used to innovate on hardware while everyone else was just going for bigger numbers. Exclusives made sense as they made use of those features that you just couldn’t get elsewhere.
The Switch and Switch 2 have this portable/dock gimmick but that doesn’t really affect gameplay in a way that makes the software incompatible with a PC or a Playstation 4/5. And there’s the Steam Deck and a load of other portable gaming PCs out now, so even if it did there’d be no justification for a Switch exclusive other than greed and an unwillingness to prioritize the consumer.
I hate Nintendo exclusives because i hate Nintendos hardware. I do love their software, so i emulate it.
I get why they need exclusives, if they want to keep making consoles instead of turning into SEGA they need to give peeps a reason to buy their console, which since the wii (?) has had a deliberate focus on less powerful hardware. If they didn’t have those N exclusives those games would look better on their competitor’s systems.
Like i said, i love their games, can’t stress that enough. I hate, hate, HATE their hardware tho. I’ve refused to buy Nintendo stuff since i felt burned by n64s crap analog sticks (i hold a mean grudge haha) and the only way Nintendo would get my hard fought-stretched-to-hell $ is if they sold pc copies of their games.
I wish they’d consider doing that (after a few years of exclusivity even, i’m a patientgamer) but i don’t think they ever will :(
What is the point of buying a gaming console instead of a PC if not for the exclusives? Also what about all those games funded by exclusive contracts that would not have existed?
You for some reason assume that games would not have existed if not for being exclusive. But you do not actually know that. Yes, exclusive games do exist. But also quite obviously non-exclusive games exist. It is obviously possible to get games funded without being exclusive.
It is impossible to predict the future, or similarly, predict alternative versions of the past. I do not claim to know for sure that the same amount of games would exist without exclusivity. But since non-exclusive games are possible, and actually in the majority, it seems very likely to me that when a consumer demand is there, supply for it would be created.
In the end, this is an argument about cooperation vs competition. The argument for exclusives is basically an argument for competition. The argument against exclusives is one for cooperation. My base thinking is, why create many different consoles, that all just contain a CPU, some graphical processing unit, some way to load games on it, when you can just save the work of everyone developing their own thing and duplicating work, when everyone could just work together to create the same thing, just with more minds working together and without duplicating work.
Yes but can you really know that Bayonetta would not have been made without exclusives? Maybe if exclusives didn’t exist Bayonetta would’ve just secured funding some other way. You can’t know that now anymore, because that’s not what happened, but it’s not entirely unreasonable to believe that Bayonetta could have turned to other funding sources, if the situation was different at the time.
I mean ya. Bayonetta doesn’t sell well but as an exclusive it brings variety to the system. I think the creators themselves said something like 2 and 3 wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t funded by Nintendo.
Exclusives are cancer. Computers should be able to compute everything. Nintendo’s/console strategy is an absolute travesty for human progress, like almost all capitalist strategy.
How much e-waste is generated due to equipment that could be redundant if not for exclusives. Not just the consoles either, but all the accessories.
My understanding is that the console hardware itself isn’t even that profitable, in the same way that lower-end printers are just platforms to sell ink.
Yep. But aren’t we glad we have competition! Aren’t we glad we duplicate research/work all the time! We’d never think of improvements without this.
I mean, yeah, but at the same time, a Nintendo game being a Nintendo exclusive product doesn’t seem that weird to me. If it was an external studio, sure. But it’s the same company. I agree that it’s annoying, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable tactic if you control the vertical and you actually DO build good hardware and software that play well together, and you want to leverage the multiplicative effect there.
Sure, I’m not unreasonable. I hate against exclusives, because I’m sure it’d be better without them, but Nintendo is not entirely terrible. It’s never completely black & white.
I guess my point is that I think of the Nintendo dynamic more charitably than I think of independent large game studios making platform exclusive titles just because some business deal was struck, simply because the latter creates the impression of vertical integration when there is in fact none.
Nintendo’s hardware used to have features that competitors lacked. The DS’s dual screens, the 3DS’s 3D top screen, the Wiimote, the Wii U’s controller with a second screen. Even the Virtual Boy did something different, though it didn’t do it well. Nintendo used to innovate on hardware while everyone else was just going for bigger numbers. Exclusives made sense as they made use of those features that you just couldn’t get elsewhere.
The Switch and Switch 2 have this portable/dock gimmick but that doesn’t really affect gameplay in a way that makes the software incompatible with a PC or a Playstation 4/5. And there’s the Steam Deck and a load of other portable gaming PCs out now, so even if it did there’d be no justification for a Switch exclusive other than greed and an unwillingness to prioritize the consumer.
I hate Nintendo exclusives because i hate Nintendos hardware. I do love their software, so i emulate it.
I get why they need exclusives, if they want to keep making consoles instead of turning into SEGA they need to give peeps a reason to buy their console, which since the wii (?) has had a deliberate focus on less powerful hardware. If they didn’t have those N exclusives those games would look better on their competitor’s systems.
Like i said, i love their games, can’t stress that enough. I hate, hate, HATE their hardware tho. I’ve refused to buy Nintendo stuff since i felt burned by n64s crap analog sticks (i hold a mean grudge haha) and the only way Nintendo would get my hard fought-stretched-to-hell $ is if they sold pc copies of their games.
I wish they’d consider doing that (after a few years of exclusivity even, i’m a patientgamer) but i don’t think they ever will :(
What is the point of buying a gaming console instead of a PC if not for the exclusives? Also what about all those games funded by exclusive contracts that would not have existed?
I buy consoles because i don’t want to setup, configure, fix, ant upgrade computers.
You for some reason assume that games would not have existed if not for being exclusive. But you do not actually know that. Yes, exclusive games do exist. But also quite obviously non-exclusive games exist. It is obviously possible to get games funded without being exclusive.
It is impossible to predict the future, or similarly, predict alternative versions of the past. I do not claim to know for sure that the same amount of games would exist without exclusivity. But since non-exclusive games are possible, and actually in the majority, it seems very likely to me that when a consumer demand is there, supply for it would be created.
In the end, this is an argument about cooperation vs competition. The argument for exclusives is basically an argument for competition. The argument against exclusives is one for cooperation. My base thinking is, why create many different consoles, that all just contain a CPU, some graphical processing unit, some way to load games on it, when you can just save the work of everyone developing their own thing and duplicating work, when everyone could just work together to create the same thing, just with more minds working together and without duplicating work.
Not all games? I mean the exclusive games like Bayonetta 3.
Yes but can you really know that Bayonetta would not have been made without exclusives? Maybe if exclusives didn’t exist Bayonetta would’ve just secured funding some other way. You can’t know that now anymore, because that’s not what happened, but it’s not entirely unreasonable to believe that Bayonetta could have turned to other funding sources, if the situation was different at the time.
I mean ya. Bayonetta doesn’t sell well but as an exclusive it brings variety to the system. I think the creators themselves said something like 2 and 3 wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t funded by Nintendo.