European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says EU countries must purchase military equipment made in Europe under a new loan plan meant to help the continent provide for its own security.
The thought actually comes from Plato, the Latin is incidental because most people who could write in Europe in the past few millennia did so in Latin so most old adages survived in Latin.
That said, do you have an argument against the substance of what I said other than the language?
Any time Europeans and Americans got a lot of weapons to “defend themselves” they suddenly found a great place in the Middle-East to defend themselves onto a few years later
So does Russia and China. Yeah, it would be a nicer world if we all wouldn’t start wars and stuff, but as you can see in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that is not the case. Europe is currently militarily threatened by the US and Russia, so we either capitulate or do something about it.
By your logic though, Russia should disarm, and the only countries that could be trusted with weapons in the region are Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics, as IIRC they never had significant colonies, right? Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?
Russia slightly but moreso in Africa. China does not so far. Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.
Russia will not attack the EU as the EU has nukes. The only use for giant armies these days is to do imperialism with. China was cutting down on their army until the US went on a rampage again.
Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?
Sure as long as they only send foot soldiers and don’t do stupid stuff like placing missile launchers on Russia’s border. And they won’t rob Ukraine of their minerals in exchange.
Syria had Russian troops deployed, in the Middle East.
True I should have said MENA. Russia also tried taking Afghanistan but that did not go very well.
They own 78 ports in Africa over 32 African ports.
Are those military bases or simply ports? I remember China getting a big military port in Pakistan recently but they are certainly not present around the globe with their military.
Ukraine asked for NATO after the Russian invasion, not before. All they wanted was EU trade agreements.
Ukraine has started applying for NATO membership since around 2009? iirc. Which Ukraine is allowed to do. But NATO promised Russia Ukraine would not be joining NATO far before 2008. NATO then started applying Ukraine as a member which is when tensions started boiling.
Russia is currently conducting a blatant and overt misinformation campaign aimed at toppling democrating governments all over the EU.
Yeah fine but that is not a war. The US is also influencing and lobbying European politicians. And our amazing “ally in the middle east” is actively influencing many Western newspapers on a scale far greater than Russia.
I don’t even get the point, there was no point in time of the history of Europe when its nations were not one of the major military powers of the world. So when was this beforetime when the “nations of Europe did not bear arms”? In the age of the Sumerian Empire?
Also, why don’t I see the original reply in the thread? I know my instance is defed’ed from grad and hexbear, but this was someone from ml, right?
People have armed themselves throughout history, even if just to protect themselves from non-human predators.
It doesn’t folow from this that we should give right-wing imperial governments a trillion euro from social programs to go fight Arabs and Africans.
You’ve got to analyse each situation. You can’t say, “There has been inequality throughout history, therefore we should cut taxes for the rich”. You can’t say, “There has been weapons throughout history, therefore we should cut social spending to give the UK a new aircraft carrier”
Why? Everyone else is doing it, and as they say, si vis pacem para bellum.
Thanks for quoting one of the most brutal and violent empires known for oppression and slavery on how to achieve peace.
The thought actually comes from Plato, the Latin is incidental because most people who could write in Europe in the past few millennia did so in Latin so most old adages survived in Latin.
That said, do you have an argument against the substance of what I said other than the language?
Any time Europeans and Americans got a lot of weapons to “defend themselves” they suddenly found a great place in the Middle-East to defend themselves onto a few years later
So does Russia and China. Yeah, it would be a nicer world if we all wouldn’t start wars and stuff, but as you can see in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that is not the case. Europe is currently militarily threatened by the US and Russia, so we either capitulate or do something about it.
By your logic though, Russia should disarm, and the only countries that could be trusted with weapons in the region are Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics, as IIRC they never had significant colonies, right? Zelensky had a proposal for Ukrainian peacekeepers across Europe, would you support that together with a demilitarized Russia?
Russia slightly but moreso in Africa. China does not so far. Ukraine is a poor example as Ukraine tried to join NATO against the promises NATO made with Russia.
Russia will not attack the EU as the EU has nukes. The only use for giant armies these days is to do imperialism with. China was cutting down on their army until the US went on a rampage again.
Sure as long as they only send foot soldiers and don’t do stupid stuff like placing missile launchers on Russia’s border. And they won’t rob Ukraine of their minerals in exchange.
Syria had Russian troops deployed, in the Middle East.
They own 78 ports in Africa over 32 African ports.
Ukraine asked for NATO after the Russian invasion, not before. All they wanted was EU trade agreements.
Russia is currently conducting a blatant and overt misinformation campaign aimed at toppling democrating governments all over the EU.
True I should have said MENA. Russia also tried taking Afghanistan but that did not go very well.
Are those military bases or simply ports? I remember China getting a big military port in Pakistan recently but they are certainly not present around the globe with their military.
Ukraine has started applying for NATO membership since around 2009? iirc. Which Ukraine is allowed to do. But NATO promised Russia Ukraine would not be joining NATO far before 2008. NATO then started applying Ukraine as a member which is when tensions started boiling.
Yeah fine but that is not a war. The US is also influencing and lobbying European politicians. And our amazing “ally in the middle east” is actively influencing many Western newspapers on a scale far greater than Russia.
2002, then abandoned it around 2008 to appease Russia. They did not pick it back up until after the invasion.
fuit pax quae nationes europae arma ferebant antea?
That is not even correct Latin.
Ok, I’ve checked it and wondering what your correction is?
I am sure I got all the endings correct, noun and verb.
Wouod you have used a different verb to ‘fuit’?
Google Translate is a helluva drug.
I don’t even get the point, there was no point in time of the history of Europe when its nations were not one of the major military powers of the world. So when was this beforetime when the “nations of Europe did not bear arms”? In the age of the Sumerian Empire?
Also, why don’t I see the original reply in the thread? I know my instance is defed’ed from grad and hexbear, but this was someone from ml, right?
It’s weird.
People have armed themselves throughout history, even if just to protect themselves from non-human predators.
As far as not seeing the original reply, I don’t know enough about how it all works. I just know I like it here better than the r-place.
It doesn’t folow from this that we should give right-wing imperial governments a trillion euro from social programs to go fight Arabs and Africans.
You’ve got to analyse each situation. You can’t say, “There has been inequality throughout history, therefore we should cut taxes for the rich”. You can’t say, “There has been weapons throughout history, therefore we should cut social spending to give the UK a new aircraft carrier”
I didn’t use google in years
I should have ‘quando’ in place of ‘quae’