What should other nations do? My strong recommendation to Canada, Mexico, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the European Union is to join together to create a free trade zone that excludes the United States, imposing at least a 10 percent tariff on all imports from America.

They should also threaten to limit American banks’ access to their public stock markets, put limits on what their citizens can invest in American companies annually, and increase taxes and regulations on American digital platforms.

They will be tempted to negotiate and do so individually. They should not. They need to negotiate from a position of strength. A non-U.S. free trade union will give them that strength.

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    Why just 10%? It should be the same tariff as imposed on them. Or target the same value of selected goods with higher tariffs, like the EU has done before (targeted republican states).

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      No. Tariffs set by one country primarily affect the people of that country. Americans are paying American tariffs, other countries tariffs would be paid by those other countries. We don’t need to have a pissing contest to see which country can punish its own citizens the most.

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        Tariffs set by one country primarily affect the people of that country.

        You do know what the EU is, don’t you?

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          I think he does and it works the same way: Tarifs set by the EU primarily affect people living in EU countries.

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              The EU is not subject to American tariffs. American consumers are subject to American tariffs. EU consumers would be subject to EU tariffs.

              EU businesses are affected by American tariffs because it means reduced sales. However, this primarily means a reduction in growth, ie less profits, not more expense. The people paying more expense are consumers - they are the ones primarily affected by the tariffs.

              Everyone ignores this, especially in the media, and it is immensely frustrating. Yes, it isn’t great that businesses will lose sales due to tariffs, however it’s worse and more significant that consumers have to pay tariffs. Retaliatory tariffs will only cause more pain for local consumers - on top of the reduced growth from the instigating tariff - and would be like punching yourself in the face because your opponent is punching themselves in the face.

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                The EU is not subject to American tariffs. American consumers are subject to American tariffs. EU consumers would be subject to EU tariffs.

                EU businesses are affected by American tariffs because it means reduced sales.

                There is absolutely no reason to not apply the same tarrifs on products from the USA as the USA applies. Quite the opposite, appeasement of dicatotors never works - they only understand strength.

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                  You seem like you’re being willfully ignorant and clinging to that.

                  I’ve explained the reason: BECAUSE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY THAT SETS THE TARIFF PAYS THE TARIFF.

                  Americans won’t pay the retaliatory tariff. A retaliatory tariff will only have a small effect on American businesses. It will have a big effect on citizens of the country that set the tariff.

                  Not setting a tariff isn’t appeasing Trump. It’s taking the wellbeing of your country first, and not getting drawn into a pointless trade war.

                  Literally the main and most immediate purpose of a tariff is to raise money for the government. America is taxing Americans with a tariff, but they have no plan to spend that money (because Trump is going to steal it). If other governments are also going to raise money through their own tariff tax, then they should do so with a plan to spend the money on their country - they shouldn’t just copy Trump and do what he does, BECAUSE THAT WILL HURT THEIR OWN CITIZENS, JUST LIKE TRUMP IS HURTING AMERICANS.

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                    It’s very much not the same.

                    USA puts tariffs on the whole world. We’re just putting it on one country.

                    We’ll trade with other countries more.

                    While Americans are sinking into isolationism.

                    This is a good tariff.

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                    By not responding to Trump tarrifs you are appeasing him. Which means he will double down.

                    You are a enabler.

                    Not responding to Trump tarrifs would be as irresponsible as not responding to Russian Crimea seizure.