Maybe you’re right. I just predicted he wouldn’t live through next year, maybe not this year. But is it just my hopefulness?

I think his age and poor health will come into play before the end of 2026 if not before the end of this year. Once he kicks the bucket, the clown committee will not be able to keep it together. That’s my prediction.

Added to that: the dems will make no meaningful move to capitalize on the moment of advantage when bad orange man is dead and republicans fall into disarray.

Edit: am i just wishful thinking? Maybe, but you guys and your cold water can’t extinguish my hope.

If I’m wrong, then the only alternative is to shut down this idiot circus by other means. We must resist with everything we have, and never let go of our revolutionary optimism.

This makes sense to me in theory but it’s very black and white. How does this apply to the thirteen year old in the story? He should have known not to believe the incel bullshit fed to him on the internet? He had a mother and a sister, so he should have known it was wrong to objectify women despite the constant stream of hypersexualized content in all media everywhere all the time? If not the girl who bullied him, was it inevitable that he’d eventilually stab or shoot someone because he had a “fucked up personality”?

“…ultimately the individual needs to take presponsibility for anything to change” doesn’t make sense to me when it comes to a 13 year old alone in his bedroom with a firehose of mysogny and twisted anti-logic.

Which I guess just further proves that this has absolutely nothing to do with “boo hoo I’m poor” and a lot more to do with having a fucked up personality.

I don’t like this tho. The hypothetical incel thinks he is the victim, and while he should take responsibility for his misogyny, this just flips all the blame onto him and say “No, it’s your fault because of your fucked up personality”. Someone still gets shot or stabbed.

Careful, Archarnian. That sounds like anti-capitalist talk.

Yes that’s definitely an issue.

Still, it seems clear to me that for many, (like the kid in the story whose mind was poisoned even before his first attempt) the biggest barrier to achieving relationship bliss with someone special is the belief that it’s simply not possible, and all the attendant self reinforcing red pill misogynistic bullshit beliefs one finds online.

One mustn’t forget Jlo’s informative musical statement: “even if you were broke, my love don’t cost a thing”.

Yes I think the disappearance of third places has a lot to do with it.

Ok, but when I was both unemployed and absolutely broke af I picked wildflowers off the railroad tracks and brought them to the woman I was into. I said, “Here’s some pretty flowers for a pretty girl”. I had no car. I had a shitty $50 hohner plywood guitar with a broken bridge that I played and sang “you are so beautiful”.

Its 12 years later and that woman still makes me the best goddamn sandwiches I have ever ate in my life.

Are people watching TV shows and old movies thinking this is real-life, and the only way to get a girl is to take her out in an expensive car for a fancy dinner because this is what “everyone” does? That’s not reality.

If we can think of racism as believing ridiculous and false stereotypes about people, this incel business seems like a similar kind of thing. Believing all this 80/20 red pill Chad/Stacey nonsense is no different from thinking Jews have infiltrated all banking and media to keep you poor and ignorant. Believing wealthy high-status men have a bigger dating pool because women prefer them is just like thinking black people can’t swim or Mexicans are lazy.

And yet, I have seen places of abject poverty where people sing to eachother and sing together, they have joys and romance. Dirt poor people are making sweet love together and having kids and I don’t know how but they just keep on going.

So the economy is part of it, yes, but poverty isn’t a barrier to gettin some lovin, because it doesn’t cost anything to get a woman’s attention.

There must be more to the story, there is something else going on with our culture and our society that makes it seem impossible.

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Edit: The comment I replied to was removed, so my sarcasm seems out of place without context. I have removed that reply.

I will instead say this: before the election I complained that there was no viable anti-genocide voting option, and before I got downvoted into oblivion I was told “well, you can’t get everything you want in politics”. I held my nose and voted Harris, thinking maybe the democrats could be pressured.

Well here we are. The whole fuckin thing makes me want to cry.

Don’t.