Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]

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  • Or maybe they were both shitty?

    Stalin’s government massively improved the living conditions of working-class people, stopped the Holocaust and the Lebensraum (and was the most consistent and early enemy of nazi Germany), and helped anti-colonial movements.
    Yeah, nah, I can’t call Stalin’s government ‘shitty’.

    Recognizing the atrocities that occurred under Stalin’s rule

    ‘Atrocities’ such as guaranteed housing, guaranteed access to healthcare, liquidation of illiteracy (all consequences of planned economy, by the way), a massive increase of life expectancy, cessation of famines.




  • You see nazis where there are none

    Is this where you - a person who claims that providing people with access to healthcare is ‘tyrannical’ (and, as you imply, bad, for whatever nonsensical reason), and argues for torturing and killing people by preventing them from accessing healthcare - are going to try to bring up superficial excuses for why you are supposedly not a nazi?

    you see in my text a person who literally wants to kill

    Yeah. Depriving people of healthcare is, in fact, lethal.

    I think you’re in distress, and I assume it’s the result of a kind of propaganda

    HAHAHA.
    The ‘propaganda’ in question being basic understanding of biology, physics, and history.

    messaging that is not intended to serve you, but for you to serve it

    This is pretty obviously just a word salad that you thought sounded profound in your head.

    I think the good news is that the world, and other people, aren’t as evil as you’ve been seeing them

    You are quite literally have been arguing for torturing and killing people by preventing them from accessing healthcare, and claimed that not doing so is somehow disadvantageous (without being able to bring up any disadvantages).

    Going to also remind you that you have literally complained about having to pay for universal healthcare, a system where you actually do not pay for healthcare (or pay much less than in the case of for-profit healthcare).




  • I said you don’t get to decide if I need one or not

    You did implicitly argue that some people should be prevented from being able to sleep, and you overtly argued that people should be prevented from being able to access healthcare.

    My position is literally that everybody needs healthcare, and that everybody needs to be provided ability to access it and use it when the need arises.
    Your position has been that people should be prevented from accessing healthcare because some hypothetical dumbass who doesn’t exist won’t need healthcare at any point in their life. Your position is to literally kill people because of this hypothetical dumbass.

    Go on fighting the nazis in your head

    I’m already dealing with one that wants to literally kill people by making them unable to access healthcare in this forum thread.

    EDIT: Furthermore, you still have not explained why that dumbass’ existence shows that there is some cost to universal healthcare. Like, what does it matter to them if everybody gets access to healthcare, instead of somebody or everybody being prevented from accessing it?



  • You say I need healthcare

    And we both know that you do. Please stop pretending otherwise.
    Be honest, you were most likely born with the assistance of healthcare providers, neither your parents, nor you have been entirely avoidant of interacting with them, and you aren’t trying to deliberately catch any diseases to cosplay a Nurgle follower and/or to die a slow painful death.

    But, ultimately, I might choose to jump off a cliff (some people do)

    Going to say right away that you have no clue what you are talking about.
    And in many cases, it is because people can’t access healthcare (and other basic needs), or predict to be unable to.
    Furthermore, relevant people do not generally opt for a slow and painful death that one would get through lack of healthcare provision, and relevant people usually would prefer the sort of healthcare that would allow them to avoid long-term (non-fatal) damage anyway.

    We’re a part of a world full of animals which received no “health care” for a few billion years

    Firstly, you are making the assumption that non-human animals do not engage in any forms of healthcare provision for each other.
    Furthermore, you obviously do not live like them, which makes this argument even more silly.

    I think this is fundamentally what defines a statist: believing that you or this system knows what I and everyone need, and has the moral authority to use force to satisfy them

    You have to be a child to seriously think that people do not need healthcare, such as birth assistance, disease prevention, cure, treatment, surgery, dentistry, etc.

    You’re so sure that you know what I need

    If you want to argue that people do not need healthcare, then you are welcome to perish from preventable and curable diseases.

    you won’t even accept at face value when I say “nah, that’s a negative for me”

    Yeah, because we both know that you do use healthcare services (unless you can’t afford them).
    Furthermore, you alone somehow not needing to use healthcare wouldn’t matter, as the vast majority of people quite obviously do need it. Lack of healthcare is literally deadly and most people do not seem to want to die (and even among those who do, they would usually rather avoid the longer and more suffering-inducing sorts of deaths that lack of healthcare ensures).

    You are quite literally arguing for killing people because you, singular, have not explicitly stated that you do not want to die. This would be extremely silly if not for this position just being i-am-adolf-hitler.

    It’s not for you to decide how I feel about it. The downside to universal healthcare is one person saying “cuz I don’t want it.”

    Then they don’t have to use it in most cases (apart from their own birth-assistance and attempts to prevent them from dying in most cases, obviously, as well as where that would imperil others, like during an epi- or pandemic).
    Where’s the downside?

    Or, do you believe the voices/opinions/feelings of individuals are not relevant here?

    Well, I definitely do not value the opinions and voices of nazis who argue that people should be killed or tortured by preventing them from accessing healthcare because some dumbass might say ‘I don’t want it’ (despite that dumbass using healthcare anyway).

    If that’s not how we determine upsides and downsides, what is?

    Well, for example, you might actually provide an actual downside of universal healthcare. And no, some extremely well-off people being slightly less well-off is not a serious contender for a downside.

    If peoples opinions are irrelevant, if you know what I need, why not apply your universal ideology to everything?

    What ‘universal ideology’?

    Why not decide who i need to marry, or how many kids to have

    ‘But what if this completely unrelated thing!?’
    Because, while, in the case of healthcare, we know that everybody needs it and its lack is crucial, whom you want to marry and whether you do, and whether you want to have any or however many kids is just a matter of preference.

    Sleep is essential to health, so, do I need a nap?

    People should, in fact, be provided time for healthy sleep. If you want to argue that people should not be given time to sleep, you are, again, being extremely silly.

    Surely sex is a human need

    It isn’t. People can survive without it just fine, and many don’t even want to engage in it or with it in any capacity.

    Either I have the freedom to opt out of a system (meaning it’s not universal), or I am oppressed by it, by definition

    HAHAHA.
    Well, in that case, you should be ‘oppressed’ by being provided healthcare.
    This is so childish - ‘oh no, people will be oppressed if they are guaranteed healthcare!’
    (Also, by what ‘definition’? Provide that definition. And don’t worry, I am a mathematician by background - I love working with definitions.)

    every tyrannical government since the dawn of time has claimed “this is what the people need, even if they don’t know. And that stuff you thought was yours, belongs to us”

    Firstly, this is incredibly vague - you haven’t even defined what a ‘tyrannical government’ is. Maybe these ‘tyrannical governments’ are good, actually (given what you consider to be ‘tyrannical’, that does appear to be the case). Also, people like you think that colonialism, slavery, preventing people from accessing healthcare, etc. are somehow not ‘tyrannical’, but providing healthcare is.
    Also, what are the chances that you just picked what states you count as ‘tyrannical’ based on the popular (and incorrect) views of average westerners?

    And people justifiably fight back: “You do not own us, you do not represent us”

    Most USian citizens have so far not fought against slavery, colonialism, genocides, etc., but, rather, for that. Sounds like you are full of shit, to be brief.

    To summarize: your position is based on the false premise that you know or can know what everyone needs

    Ah yes, the ‘false premise’ that basically every person needs healthcare. Why is it false, again?