Again going back to RLM but Mike explained it best when he said Vader was more of an enforcer like an ss officer in nazi germany than space jesus or space john wick.
It’s even called out in the original trilogy in the first film lmao.
“…your sad devotion to that ancient religion.”
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
This is one of the most famous scenes and one of the most quoted lines in the whole series. Even in-universe, people talk shit to Vader straight to his face about being nothing more than the Emperor’s attack dog when he needs someone competent to do some evil shit.
Yeah, Vader in the first SW movie was more like hired muscle instead of the Emperor’s right hand man. He’s subservient to Tarkin and he’s openly mocked by Imperial officers throughout the movie. Certainly not someone who’s basically second in command of the whole Empire.
I’m sure something in the canon explained its way around this, but it’s obvious that George Lucas didn’t have the backstories of these characters planned from the beginning like he’d claimed.
The most you can do with him is have him be like a horror movie monster where he shows up and kills a bunch of rebels who are helpless before him. But you gotta build up to that by making us care about the rebels in question so we feel bad when they get murked.
Fallen Order uses him somewhat like this (light spoilers) - he turns up at the end and all you can do is run the fuck away as he uses his monstrous force powers to tear the station around you apart (with partially destroyed terrain providing a convenient route to safety, of course). Definitely a top 5 Vader moment, along with the corridor scene at the end of Rogue One and “Then you shall die braver than most” in Rebels.
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached. Which in the 70s makes for good movie villain and idiotic political premise, but alas, george lucas has been vindicated again
That’s also what Palpy seemed to want out of the guy and what was needed. He couldn’t go around force lightninging everybody, he had boring admistrative evil to do. Like naming surgical reconstruction centre’s after himself. Vader is his thug, he’s the Luca Brasi of the empire. Making Anakin an awkward creepy idiot in the prequels (aside from phantom menace but his role in that was ‘kid’) does flow well into Vader as character. It wasn’t compelling or fun to watch but I guess there is some logic to it.
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Again going back to RLM but Mike explained it best when he said Vader was more of an enforcer like an ss officer in nazi germany than space jesus or space john wick.
It’s even called out in the original trilogy in the first film lmao.
“…your sad devotion to that ancient religion.”
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
This is one of the most famous scenes and one of the most quoted lines in the whole series. Even in-universe, people talk shit to Vader straight to his face about being nothing more than the Emperor’s attack dog when he needs someone competent to do some evil shit.
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If the SS had pagan occult magics like some consipracists say, they’d still be the SS. Vader can be an evil wizard and also a space nazi.
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Yeah, Vader in the first SW movie was more like hired muscle instead of the Emperor’s right hand man. He’s subservient to Tarkin and he’s openly mocked by Imperial officers throughout the movie. Certainly not someone who’s basically second in command of the whole Empire.
I’m sure something in the canon explained its way around this, but it’s obvious that George Lucas didn’t have the backstories of these characters planned from the beginning like he’d claimed.
The most you can do with him is have him be like a horror movie monster where he shows up and kills a bunch of rebels who are helpless before him. But you gotta build up to that by making us care about the rebels in question so we feel bad when they get murked.
I’d watch that. Basically Jason with psionics.
Fallen Order uses him somewhat like this (light spoilers) - he turns up at the end and all you can do is run the fuck away as he uses his monstrous force powers to tear the station around you apart (with partially destroyed terrain providing a convenient route to safety, of course). Definitely a top 5 Vader moment, along with the corridor scene at the end of Rogue One and “Then you shall die braver than most” in Rebels.
Vaders politics basically boil down to being cool, powerful and owning the libs with it with no other clear motivation attached. Which in the 70s makes for good movie villain and idiotic political premise, but alas, george lucas has been vindicated again
perfect but also thanks I hate it
That’s also what Palpy seemed to want out of the guy and what was needed. He couldn’t go around force lightninging everybody, he had boring admistrative evil to do. Like naming surgical reconstruction centre’s after himself. Vader is his thug, he’s the Luca Brasi of the empire. Making Anakin an awkward creepy idiot in the prequels (aside from phantom menace but his role in that was ‘kid’) does flow well into Vader as character. It wasn’t compelling or fun to watch but I guess there is some logic to it.