Lemmy doesn’t like it when apologies :[

  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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    16 days ago

    I’d like to interject for a moment. What you’re doing is downvoting a comment, in which someone seems to do the right thing for once. I’d say upvotes are in order. Disregarding any previous history.

    Plus, can we please have some different drama tomorrow? I think it’s a bit boring to always talk about the same person over and over again as if there wasn’t any other lore or drama to be had on the Fediverse.

  • Karu 🐲@lemmy.ml
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    16 days ago

    The thread about dragonfucker getting banned has been honestly very uncomfortable for me to go through. I don’t know or particularly care about this user, nor do I know what drama drag’s involved in, or how much of that is drag’s fault. But I have read a significant amount of inexcusably transphobic assertions from a large number of users, many of them accusing drag of being a troll or even a disgrace to the transgender community for the unspeakably vile sin of having a neopronoun.

    Like, I’m not attempting to defend drag here. People are saying that drag was probably banned for more reasons beyond screenshotting DMs, but when reading into the thread it seems to me that the only thing that everyone hates about drag is… that drag has a non-normative gender identity? And that’s somehow making a joke of the transgender community? I mean, fill me in if you feel like it, but no amount of trolling or crimes drag has commited justifies the amount of ridiculing that this person has received on the basis of drag’s gender identity on that thread. It does seem to me, as an external observer, that a large amount of users were eagerly awaiting for drag to have a less than ideal behavior for everyone to be immensely mean to drag and to claim “See? I always knew drag was just a troll! No one can possibly have a gender identity this far from what I’m comfortable tolerating!”.

    It’s making me feel bad on baseline empathy alone, and neopronouns or non-binary genders aren’t really an emotionally charged topic for me. I’m cis male, lol. But seeing the unimaginably hostile reaction many have had towards this user on the basis of drag’s quirky pronoun, which literally does not hurt anybody, has made me very uncomfortable.

    I have already been feeling uncomfortable on Lemmy, in general, because of this insane obsession users from certain instances have with tankies, and the disingenuity anything politics is treated because of that (and politics being such a prevalent topic on Lemmy is certainly not helping!). I don’t like how, for example, I have seen orders of magnitude more people shitting on Hexbear trolls than actual Hexbear users trolling back when it was online. But Hexbear trolls, or tankies, or whatever, are an abstract group, that is not contingent on some intimately held aspect of yourself. This drama however is targeting a specific user, a single person, who belongs in an already excluded demography, and is probably still figuring things out about dragself. It’s a whole new level of fucked up.

    My mutuals from other sites, some of whom are leftists, and some of whom are trans, are wary of moving into the Fediverse and particularly Lemmy because of stuff like this. I have argued in favor of the Fediverse in the past because I’m a bit of a FOSS nut, but this I cannot defend against.

    Anyway sorry for the rambling lol. The other thread made me feel bad enough on a gut level that I had to let it out. Also, for what it’s worth, I have seen enough people with non-normative gender identities to trust that OP is not, in fact, a drag alt. Not that this being the case would change much about the recalcitrant transphobia.

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      16 days ago

      politics complaint aside, your observation about people using this to complain about a neopronoun seems apt. none of the content of complaints about drag’s use of neopronouns actually seem relevant to drag’s use of neopronouns. someone trolling with neopronouns is trivially handled by just accepting the neopronouns…

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        Yeah, I have, and it’s honestly disgusting. But for every pig shit emoji I have seen, I have also seen hundreds of comments shitting on tankies, dunking on commenters for expressing “radical leftist opinions” that are not that radical outside of social media, shitting on the work of the Lemmy devs for being professed marxist-lenninists, or claiming that Lemmy.ml is somehow cancer on the network that needs getting rid of, because it’s nominally a tankie instance despite the sheer amount of democrat shilling, Israel apologia and NATO bootlicking you can see here.

        It’s a matter of scale. I will concede that I simpatize with the more leftist parts of the political spectrum, both marxists and anarchists, but I feel like at this point I would be grossed out at Lemmy even if I was 100% a liberal. Political disagreements are fine I guess, but the way they permeate the culture on Lemmy is weird, obsessive and unhealthy, and most importantly, it comes from a very small number of instances. And it’s not the tankie ones.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz
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          16 days ago

          This is the second in command of lemmy.ml:

          The Soviet Union made being gay illegal. Marxism-Leninism has a very long history of calling queerness “bourgeois decadence”. Some tankies choose to follow in the footsteps of that history. Others just ignore it and pretend it was excusable. Tankies aren’t allies.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.social
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    16 days ago

    I didn’t really have anything against Drag (I am used to extremely eccentric therians) until they started pretending to also be another person who talks exactly the same way, making it incredibly obvious they are an alt and a troll. You seriously think anyone believes that you, Bot, are a totally different user? C’mon man.

    • Newbuild (Bot)@lemmy.nzOP
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      16 days ago

      Copied from what bot said here:

      Bot is not drag. Bot understands why you may think that, but bot is just a friend of drag. Bot doesn’t use Lemmy for a long list of reasons, so Bot only uses Lemmy when drag gets extra upset about something on Lemmy because bot cares about drag :[

      Bot is willing to provide proof that bot is not drag, so long as such proof does not dox either of us

  • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
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    16 days ago

    Dr. Wesker thinks it’s pretty cringe to refer to one’s self in third person. Dr. Wesker thinks it should be reserved for house elves and Jimmy.

    • Newbuild (Bot)@lemmy.nzOP
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      16 days ago

      Bot has killed the part of botself that cringes, rather than the part of botself that is cringey. Bot likes having whimsy in bot’s heart

      • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
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        16 days ago

        That’s okay. It does however appear to be a recurring theme that people find it abrasive and obnoxious. Well, judging from the drama history.