• njm1314@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Sadly that war is not over yet. They’re going to actively try to take it back. Gay marriage isn’t safe and we shouldn’t pretend it is.

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      1 month ago

      Not sure where you’re talking about but in the US it’s as safe as it will ever be short of an amendment to the Constitution.

      At the national level it’s protected by law in the Respect for Marriage Act, by case law precedent AND the constitution per Obergefell v. Hodges and its supported by ~70% of Americans by last polling.

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          It’s not really optimism, just statements of fact. Same-sex marriage is as protected as it can be without an amendment.

          Even if it was protected by amendment it wouldn’t be protected from your ‘doomer’ scenario because that’s a complete abandonment of governmental process and legal procedure.

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            1 month ago

            Yes I think complete abandonment of those two things is a fantastic description of the current USA administration. It’s not doomerism, I just read the news.

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              I read the news as well, I guess we disagree.

              I see this and this and see the opposite of the rule of law rapidly becoming meaningless.

              I’d say the rule of law is the only thing stopping this administration. Once the courts are lost everything else will start to accelerate.

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                I want to be convinced and those are affirming articles, but since Roe v Wade fell I’ve just felt like nothing is safe. Any thoughts on Roe falling?

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                  I think the ruling in Dobbs was not made impartially by all Justices. However, the mistake made with abortion and Roe v. Wade was not made in regards to other issues, such as same-sex marriage. Instead of codifying abortion protections into law through Congress everyone decided to rely on the belief that Roe would never be overturned.

                  Same-sex marriage has been codified into law at the federal level through the Respect for Marriage Act, passed under Biden, by Congress in 2022. There’s also a number of states that individually have it protected at the state level through laws or constitutional amendments.

                  I understand your fear, I share it with you. Right now, though, this regime is still stuck on picking on those in the US with the fewest protections and losing badly. We’re finally seeing more cases get through the courts and the administration keeps losing. I think they moved too quickly and expanded to attack immigrants with resources who brought more attention to it than they had planned. The courts work slowly but they have, mostly, still been working.

                  Now, I think the greatest group at risk is the trans community. Specifically trans youth because they’re following the same plan. Go after the weakest of the specific group and then slowly expand. I’ve seen other people on Lemmy equate it to frogs in slowly heating water.

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                  He doesn’t own the Supreme Court.

                  I actually saw a user post on Lemmy recently with the statistics of the current SCOTUS versus previous and the current SCOTUS is roughly in line with previous ones on their rulings.

                  There’s lots of doomer comments on social media about the SCOTUS but that’s because the media amplifies the controversial rulings.

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        Supreme Court Justices have hinted in arguments that they might want to revisit Obergefell. I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess which ones.

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          They can revisit it all they want.

          The Respect for Marriage Act, signed into law in 2022, codifies federal protections for same-sex and interracial marriage, ensuring that marriages valid under state law are recognized federally, regardless of the couple’s sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin.

          Until Congress repeals the Respect for Marriage Act it’s protected by law. Nothing SCOTUS can do about that.