Almost all of them charge via regeneration, so they do charge from the motor. My particular hybrid would also charge from the motor while in neutral (why spin the engine and do nothing with that rotation?) Plug-ins just have the option to top up from another source, but they will still charge from braking.
BEVs create a significant amount of waste heat compared to ICEs. Diesel electric trains and hybrid cars are less efficient than their ICE only counterparts and logistics professionals have been wrong for decades.
No need to admit anything. Here you are insinuating that my statement about the heat generated by EVs and ICEs is not correct…
We would just put diesel generators in the trunk if any of that would make sense.
That was your primary response to my statement that EVs generate an insignificant amount of heat compared to ICEs.
You also said this…
Youre arguing against the principle of physics.
What makes a Diesel generator better then … Checks notes… a Diesel Generator?
And the answer, which I gave you is that a diesel generator is not the same thing operating under the same load and conditions as a diesel car.
I also provided 3 real world examples of hybrid systems that outperform their combustion counterparts. I will admit that I was unable to locate specifically a hybrid diesel car, or an electric car with a diesel range extender.
Did you forget that the argument started that EVs that were charged with a diesel generator is more effective than a regular diesel vehicle?
Based on that false claim you argued in favour of hybrids using the false pretense from the start, and that what I discredited by “put a diesel in the trunk”, because by your logic that would be more efficient than a diesel.
You even continued to argue in favour until I did the calculation. Even then you tried to weasel your way out by claiming your motor would indirectly charge your battery, which it doesnt.
I was never arguing that winning back lost energy with a secondary electrical system doesnt make sense. But that wasnt what you claimed. You wrongly assumed hybrids were using the motor to charge the battery, which they don’t.
Your numbers are not correct. Can you cite sources for them?
Even then you tried to weasel your way out by claiming your motor would indirectly charge your battery, which it doesnt.
Can you clarify this? The motor does both directly and indirectly charge the battery in most (if not all) hybrid cars.
You wrongly assumed hybrids were using the motor to charge the battery, which they don’t.
Yep there it is again. Definitely not trusting your armchair understanding of physics and automotive engineering.
Tell you what. Cite one example of a production vehicle where they removed they hybrid system and gained fuel economy, and I’ll admit that ICEs alone are much more efficient. Until then, you’re wrong, I’m right, and I have 3 real world examples to back it up.
Lol, you just claim my numbers arent correct because?
But you’re right, I compared the best stationary diesel engine with 50% efficiency instead of a usual one, and used the low end of efficiency of the diesel car. But that was in your favour.
Hi, ich hab mir grad den ganzen Thread angeschaut und muss noch schnell meinen senf dazu geben. Generator betriebene Elektrofahrzeuge sind tatsächlich effizienter als direkte Verbrenner im Realbetrieb aufgrund mehrerer Punkte:
RPM Effizienz
Wegen dieser Kurve hat ein ICE Fahrzeug Probleme die theoretische Effizienz in den meisten Fahrsituationen zu erreichen. Range Extender Motoren können ohne Getriebe direkt bei idealer RPM laufen.
Kleiner Hubraum
Range Extender Motoren können auf die durchschnittliche Leistung ausgelegt werden während Verbrennermotoren reserven für Beschleunigung und Bergfahrten brauchen. Kleinere Motoren sind effizienter.
P.S. i assumed from previous comments that you’re also a German (or at least german speaking) so I kept my comment in german. If I’m wrong and you (or a random reader) want a translation, just comment and I’ll do a translation tomorrow.
Almost all of them charge via regeneration, so they do charge from the motor. My particular hybrid would also charge from the motor while in neutral (why spin the engine and do nothing with that rotation?) Plug-ins just have the option to top up from another source, but they will still charge from braking.
Your car wouldn’t switch off or to electric when idling, since that’s even more effective?
So, are you still arguing that charging EVs with diesel generators is more efficient than driving a diesel car?
Only if you are still arguing that…
BEVs create a significant amount of waste heat compared to ICEs. Diesel electric trains and hybrid cars are less efficient than their ICE only counterparts and logistics professionals have been wrong for decades.
Where did I argue that? Are you now putting words into my mouth?
Just admit you were wrong dude, it isnt that hard.
No need to admit anything. Here you are insinuating that my statement about the heat generated by EVs and ICEs is not correct…
That was your primary response to my statement that EVs generate an insignificant amount of heat compared to ICEs.
You also said this…
And the answer, which I gave you is that a diesel generator is not the same thing operating under the same load and conditions as a diesel car.
I also provided 3 real world examples of hybrid systems that outperform their combustion counterparts. I will admit that I was unable to locate specifically a hybrid diesel car, or an electric car with a diesel range extender.
Did you forget that the argument started that EVs that were charged with a diesel generator is more effective than a regular diesel vehicle?
Based on that false claim you argued in favour of hybrids using the false pretense from the start, and that what I discredited by “put a diesel in the trunk”, because by your logic that would be more efficient than a diesel.
You even continued to argue in favour until I did the calculation. Even then you tried to weasel your way out by claiming your motor would indirectly charge your battery, which it doesnt.
I was never arguing that winning back lost energy with a secondary electrical system doesnt make sense. But that wasnt what you claimed. You wrongly assumed hybrids were using the motor to charge the battery, which they don’t.
Your numbers are not correct. Can you cite sources for them?
Can you clarify this? The motor does both directly and indirectly charge the battery in most (if not all) hybrid cars.
Yep there it is again. Definitely not trusting your armchair understanding of physics and automotive engineering.
Tell you what. Cite one example of a production vehicle where they removed they hybrid system and gained fuel economy, and I’ll admit that ICEs alone are much more efficient. Until then, you’re wrong, I’m right, and I have 3 real world examples to back it up.
Lol, you just claim my numbers arent correct because?
But you’re right, I compared the best stationary diesel engine with 50% efficiency instead of a usual one, and used the low end of efficiency of the diesel car. But that was in your favour.
There you go:
https://www.ourmechanicalcenter.com/archives/12117
https://www.tuev-nord.de/de/privatkunden/verkehr/auto-motorrad-caravan/elektromobilitaet/wirkungsgrad/
https://go-e.com/en/magazine/ev-charging-losses
https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/College_Physics/College_Physics_1e_(OpenStax)/07%3A_Work_Energy_and_Energy_Resources/7.06%3A_Conservation_of_Energy
Hi, ich hab mir grad den ganzen Thread angeschaut und muss noch schnell meinen senf dazu geben. Generator betriebene Elektrofahrzeuge sind tatsächlich effizienter als direkte Verbrenner im Realbetrieb aufgrund mehrerer Punkte:
P.S. i assumed from previous comments that you’re also a German (or at least german speaking) so I kept my comment in german. If I’m wrong and you (or a random reader) want a translation, just comment and I’ll do a translation tomorrow.
Edison’s series hybrid electric truck gets 21mpg, beating comparable diesel only semi at 6-8mpg.
Took a bit, but there is your real world example.
You also still don’t have a real world example of a car that gained efficiency after removing the hybrid system.