• barryamelton@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    If you need to exercise your right to bear arms, you have already lost. The battle is won in education, critical skills, and mobilising together (unions, etc).

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      22 hours ago

      If we ever need to raise arms against the government, it will be a dark day indeed. No reasonable person wants that. We have many methods of recourse before that even enters the conversation IMO.

      However, there can eventually come a time where resistance is appropriate. Hitler never would have taken complete control of the country, exterminated so many Jews, and started Europe on the path to a world war if the Germans were armed and actively resisting his rule.

      It seems self evident that the German people would been better off resisting Nazi rule than allowing the death camps and WW2 to come to fruition.

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        However, there can eventually come a time where resistance is appropriate. Hitler never would have taken complete control of the country, exterminated so many Jews, and started Europe on the path to a world war if the Germans were armed and actively resisting his rule.

        Bruh, come the fuck on. Jews were 1% of the population, meanwhile like 30% of the population actively supported the Nazis, and far more would have continued to turn a blind eye as long as violence wasn’t being perpetrated against people like them.

        This is nonsense alt history that ignores the fact that Nazis steamrolled and enacted death camps in far more countries than just Germany, and personal ownership of firearms didn’t make a dent in stopping them.

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          13 hours ago

          Never suggested they didn’t. I’m suggesting that the country would have been better off if they both had weapons and chose to resist.

          We aren’t Germany. The founding fathers made sure we could arm ourselves. The choices we make are our own.

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        22 hours ago

        History shows time and time again that collapsing cities/societies/empires cannot be stopped nor redirected with violence. The endemic causes are there, violence may provide a respite but it just accelerates the overall disintegration of the society.

        May what is happening to the USA be a wake up call for the rest of the western world.