See the thing about transit crime is that it’s such a huge deal that it hits the news so hard when anything like that happens.
Meanwhile how many people have died driving in the last month? It’s such a huge number that it’s not even worth reporting on, it’s just “normal”. Fear is in the eye of the beholder.
I’ll take my chances on the extremely rare likelihood that something happens to me on the subway vs the probability that I’ll be maimed or killed while driving.
I think in reality “rape” is just more of a news story than “car crash.” Really seems obvious to me, actually. Car crashes happen by accident, rape and stabbing takes intention. People being intentionally run over also happens to be a news story usually, fwiw. “Crime” just sells more than “accident.”
Like, a mechanic at your local shop losing a finger is a rare possibility, but unless you live in a small town where it was literally the only thing that happened this week it won’t even be on your local news at 11 either, but if his coworker chases him around the shop and cuts his finger off you bet your ass it’ll be covered by the tri-state area.
In any case I never claimed car crashes were a myth, I claimed that “crime has dropped to pre-pandemic levels” means there’s still plenty crime, as there was pre-pandemic. You saying you’d leave your phone plugged in on the subway and walk to one of those “bathrooms?”
Interestingly, a not-insignificant number of sexual assaults by strangers happen in parking lots, apparently because victims are often alone, and there’s nobody else around. But those don’t tend to make the news.
Tbf most far and away are by people you know, so it’s dangerous to know people as well.
Still doesn’t mean the NYC subway being back to pre pandemic crime levels is “safe.”
Just because one thing is dangerous, doesn’t mean nothing else is, it isn’t mutually exclusive. Two (or even more than two) things can both be dangerous.
Good point about most sexual assault being committed by somebody the victim knows. The fear of stranger-rape is way overblown, just like the fear of the subway compared to the danger of driving. If the subway was safe before the pandemic (which it was), then bringing the rate back down to that level means it’s safe now (which it is).
I’m not ignoring it, driving is dangerous, for sure. Never claimed it wasn’t. That said, so is the NYC subway. “I can leave my phone and go to the bathroom” isn’t something that is reasonable there. I’m saying you can’t call the NYC subway “safe” while completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is stabbings and rapes, etc.
“Pre-pandemic levels” is still not great, it’s probably more crime than whatever country “I can leave my phone…” has in total. Like, NYC subway pre-pandemic vs that entire country, NYC subway probably “wins” (though a win here is in reality a loss, 'cause crime is bad.)
Y’all really just finding out America is dangerous or something?
And as you’ve tapdancer around, you want me to believe the subway is unsafe. My point is simply that if you want to call the subway unsafe, then you have to admit driving is much worse. Whether you’re stabbed or you are spread along a 1/4 mile or pavement, it’s still dead.
No, “I’ve tapdancer” around nothing. You are attempting to force the narrative that I’m claiming driving is perfectly safe, when in reality I claimed no such thing. All I’m saying is that “pre pandemic levels of crime” is still pretty bad. I absolutely guarantee the NYC subway by itself has more crime than the entire country of the person who earlier said “I can leave my phone charging and go to the bathroom” on their train. Safer? Sure maybe. Safe**.**? No.
See the thing about transit crime is that it’s such a huge deal that it hits the news so hard when anything like that happens.
Meanwhile how many people have died driving in the last month? It’s such a huge number that it’s not even worth reporting on, it’s just “normal”. Fear is in the eye of the beholder.
I’ll take my chances on the extremely rare likelihood that something happens to me on the subway vs the probability that I’ll be maimed or killed while driving.
I think in reality “rape” is just more of a news story than “car crash.” Really seems obvious to me, actually. Car crashes happen by accident, rape and stabbing takes intention. People being intentionally run over also happens to be a news story usually, fwiw. “Crime” just sells more than “accident.”
Like, a mechanic at your local shop losing a finger is a rare possibility, but unless you live in a small town where it was literally the only thing that happened this week it won’t even be on your local news at 11 either, but if his coworker chases him around the shop and cuts his finger off you bet your ass it’ll be covered by the tri-state area.
In any case I never claimed car crashes were a myth, I claimed that “crime has dropped to pre-pandemic levels” means there’s still plenty crime, as there was pre-pandemic. You saying you’d leave your phone plugged in on the subway and walk to one of those “bathrooms?”
Interestingly, a not-insignificant number of sexual assaults by strangers happen in parking lots, apparently because victims are often alone, and there’s nobody else around. But those don’t tend to make the news.
Tbf most far and away are by people you know, so it’s dangerous to know people as well.
Still doesn’t mean the NYC subway being back to pre pandemic crime levels is “safe.”
Just because one thing is dangerous, doesn’t mean nothing else is, it isn’t mutually exclusive. Two (or even more than two) things can both be dangerous.
Good point about most sexual assault being committed by somebody the victim knows. The fear of stranger-rape is way overblown, just like the fear of the subway compared to the danger of driving. If the subway was safe before the pandemic (which it was), then bringing the rate back down to that level means it’s safe now (which it is).
I’m saying you can’t call one mode of transportation “unsafe” while completely ignoring the elephant that is the dangers of driving.
I’m not ignoring it, driving is dangerous, for sure. Never claimed it wasn’t. That said, so is the NYC subway. “I can leave my phone and go to the bathroom” isn’t something that is reasonable there. I’m saying you can’t call the NYC subway “safe” while completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is stabbings and rapes, etc.
“Pre-pandemic levels” is still not great, it’s probably more crime than whatever country “I can leave my phone…” has in total. Like, NYC subway pre-pandemic vs that entire country, NYC subway probably “wins” (though a win here is in reality a loss, 'cause crime is bad.)
Y’all really just finding out America is dangerous or something?
And as you’ve tapdancer around, you want me to believe the subway is unsafe. My point is simply that if you want to call the subway unsafe, then you have to admit driving is much worse. Whether you’re stabbed or you are spread along a 1/4 mile or pavement, it’s still dead.
No, “I’ve tapdancer” around nothing. You are attempting to force the narrative that I’m claiming driving is perfectly safe, when in reality I claimed no such thing. All I’m saying is that “pre pandemic levels of crime” is still pretty bad. I absolutely guarantee the NYC subway by itself has more crime than the entire country of the person who earlier said “I can leave my phone charging and go to the bathroom” on their train. Safer? Sure maybe. Safe**.**? No.
There you go, that was my point, thank you. That if you’re going to claim the subway is dangerous, you should at least say it’s safer than driving.
Well you’re welcome for finally understanding my point!
Still not “safe.”
But safer than driving.