• nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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    4 days ago

    No people voting for Trump or sitting out elections got us a Trump presidency.

    This has been true for 40 years at least. Leftists pushing anti-electoralism/accelerationism are a big part of why we’re in this mess and why the Overton window has been able to be dragged so far to the Right. Protest (non-)voting having any impact to improve the world is bunk and likely to some degree an idea nurtured by authoritarian state actors.

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      Why would people vote for a party that says it doesn’t want them? Democrats are owed votes, they have to be earned. But Democrats every years try to appease “moderate” Republicans (as if that has ever actually been a thing) while telling everyone else to pound sand.

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        And yet Right-wing extremists have had incredible success in steering the GOP in the direction that they want, despite resistance, by actually engaging in electrical politics.

        Your “point” is bunk and nothing more than an excuse to avoid attempting to bring positive changes without offering up vulnerable populations as sacrifice. There is no moral high-ground for anyone who engages in anti-electoralism/accelerationism.

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          What i am saying is that the GOP has spent the last 30 years catering to their extreme base, and it has brought them everything they want. Meanwhile the Democrats insist on shutting down anything to the left of Ronald Regan, and so their signature legislation in the past 20 years was just the Republican healthcare plan from the 90’s. The DNC will continue to be a useless party unless they start offering radical changes to American government instead of sticking to 20th century Neoliberalism.

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            I think the extreme right base is much larger than the extreme left base. That’s why it was a viable strategy for the GOP, and in fact dangerous to NOT cater to them.

            If Leftists get the numbers, they’ll have a greater say. That means voting en masse in primary elections.

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            The DNC will continue to be a useless party unless they start offering radical changes to American government instead of sticking to 20th century Neoliberalism.

            And what I’m saying is that they know leftists refuse to vote for them anyway (many wouldn’t even bother to vote for someone left of Marx, on principle and religious dedication to accelerationism), so, they are not inclined to budge. Allowing fascism to take the reigns taught them that they don’t have to even give lip service to socially left things, like supporting LGBT+ people, immigrants, or meaningful effort against genocide. You don’t get a voice if you don’t do the absolute bare minimum to speak up in the political system.

            Leftists and progressives refusing to stand against fascism in November told me that my loved ones and myself have far fewer allies than we thought as too many are too far up themselves to do anything but the most performative bullshit that strokes their ego and let’s them tell themselves that helping increase the severity of ongoing genocide somehow is standing against it, or alternatively that they are very happy to offer up vulnerable people as sacrifices to magically achieve a workers’ utopia.

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              You’ll find if you ask around most leftists actually did vote for the Democrats. The people who didn’t vote were apolitical who didn’t like Trump, but felt that their lives were made much worse over the last 4 years. Democrats have abandoned everyone but yuppies. Hem and haw about leftists all you want, but history shows that voters will always abandon any liberal party that only defends the status quo. Democrats had no answer for the housing crisis, they had no answer for wealth inequality, and they had no answer for ever growing food costs.