john_brown [comrade/them]

You’re assuming Russia doesn’t value human life because you’ve been fed that idea your entire life, and the reason you’re certain is that you know America doesn’t so Russia must not either. That is chauvinism.

The employee-only restaurant probably had to ban non-employees because they kept giving Musk employees swirlies and stuffing them in lockers

Early in the war, when the LPR and DPR paramilitary troops were the front-line soldiers, not Russians? Russian troops were operating artillery, support, radar, missile, etc - not fighting on the front line.

America certainly doesn’t value human life either, and I didn’t claim that. I’m not really educated on civilian casualties in different wars, I was mainly referring to all their military personnel.

Okay, if you’re not willing to do a little bit of research, here’s a paragraph from Wikipedia, which is exceedingly forgiving to the West:

Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties** ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006** (per the Iraq Family Health Survey)** to 1,033,000 excess deaths** (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). **Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 **(per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press). The Iraq Body Count project documents 186,901 – 210,296 violent civilian deaths in their table. All estimates of Iraq War casualties are disputed.[4][5]

You should also just read about Operation Iraqi Freedom. NATO troops started that war out destroying civilian infrastructure, directly. Water purification, sewage plants, power generation, they took Iraq back to the stone age. Here we are in 2025 and Russia has shown it has the ability to hit pretty much anything in Ukraine that it wants, but curiously it’s only targeting substations rather than destroying power plants. I guess Russians are too stupid to understand how electricity is generated, it certainly can’t be that they’re making an effort to not completely delete Ukraine’s electricity.

Russia routinely sends in waves of poorly equipped soldiers just like the earlier mention of them using Wagner in “meat waves”, however this isn’t exclusive to Wagner and Nazis, its just how the Russian armed forces operate.

Can you please cite this? The usage of Wagner was notable explicitly because Russia doesn’t use human wave attacks and never have - that’s just a straight up fabrication. You can read West Point white papers about Soviet military tactics - the reality is they have always valued human life and empowered officers at the unit level to use creativity and make their own decisions. “Meat waves”, the idea of rigid top-down command structure - this is all entirely made up by the west.

A recent example I can recall is north Korean troops being used in the exact same manner, being sent In unprepared, poorly equipped, with no real heavy equipment support, where they promptly die by fpv drone.

Please provide evidence of this. Ukraine and the west have been crying about NK soldiers and their only evidence has been showing Russian nationals who look asiatic and calling them Koreans. Russia has finally announced the participation of NK troops in the recapture of one single town in Kursk - they have not been used extensively or even within Ukraine.

Training conditions for new soldiers is also extremely poor before they’re shipped out, at least it appeared that way in the past when I viewed many videos from new soldiers in Russia being trained. However that was a while ago, and who knows maybe it was all us/Ukraine propaganda videos.

Russia uses a conscript military. This is the nature of a conscript military. Russia does not ship people with poor training to the front. DPR/LPR did because they were rebels without the resources or infrastructure to do long formal training. Russia pays out big bonuses for conscripts who volunteer to be part of the SMO.

I’m not gonna pretend to know everything, or claim I’m immune to propaganda. I certainty consumed a lot of western propaganda especially earlier in the war, I appreciate hearing all your differing opinions but at least on this point it seems comical to me to suggest Russia cares about the lives of their soldiers.

It seems that way because you have been fed lies about Soviet and Russian military tactics and actions for the entirety of your life. If you’re American, you probably think that American troops liberated Germany and won the war, but if you look at actual troop deployments it was something ridiculous like 9/10 Germans being fielded to the Eastern front where it was only the Soviets who stopped them.

IMO, there is significant evidence to support the idea that the Russian government doesn’t value the lives of anyone, what so ever. Particularly anyone in the army, nazi or not.

What evidence is that, other than the smears of western propaganda? Do you know why Russia moves so slowly across the battlefield, and why Ukrainian troops relate never ever seeing a Russian soldier? It’s because softening up Ukrainian defenses with artillery and other ranged weapons prevents the loss of Russian lives at the cost of significantly slowing down battlefield progress. Do you know how many civilians have lost their lives in this conflict? The answer is about thirteen thousand, total. Can you tell me how three years of war with 13k civilian casualties compares to the American invasion of Iraq? Syria? Afghanistan?

It’s quite clear that America does not value human life, but that isn’t clear about Russia when you actually examine their tactics and how many civilians die.

tsarist russia wasn’t fascist though, and this is in regards to fascist factions

Can you please describe a scenario where Ukraine is able to stop losing territory, re-capture all the territory they want, including Crimea? Remember, we’re years into this and Ukraine’s population has been decimated by emigration and combat losses. If you can’t come up with a plausible path to victory, then continuing to fight only guarantees more death and more lost territory.

Russian nazis aren’t in positions of power, whereas in Ukraine they run the intelligence branch, they’re mayors, they’re police chiefs, they’re in the cabinet. Azov wasn’t like a “kind of” nazi militia, they were explicitly nazis and the Ukrainian government has taken them into the military and use them as elite troops. Russia’s militarized nazis were in the Wagner group, which you might remember were used in brutal and unforgiving ways which conveniently liquidated of a bunch of them. It’s impossible to identify why the Russian government chose to use them as expendables, but it sure seems like a decision based on not valuing the lives of nazis whatsoever. Furthermore, Russia never had a fascist government engaging in pogroms and ethnic cleansing, whereas Ukraine has the Banderite fascists in their history and they officially venerate them. They are systematically renaming things with Soviet names to name them after Banderite scum. In 2014, the US backed fascist factions who overthrew the government and murdered opposition party supporters en masse.

Then there’s my “favorite” CIA-related detail about this, Project Aerodynamic (link intentionally broken because it’s linking directly to the CIA website) cia dot gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0118.pdf

CIA started relocating nazis and banderites to Ukraine in the 1950s with the explicit intention of empowering a fascist opposition with the ultimate goal of destabilizing the USSR and creating a fascist breakaway state. They never stopped this type of thing, that’s why Azov were acting as the CIA’s pawns on the ground as early as 2014.

pulling my phone out to tell grok to roto-root my toilet again

the current administration just announced the war is going to continue for years to come and that we’ll be selling all the weapons we can to ukraine, america isn’t done with ukraine and putin definitely hasn’t bought out trump

when has russia attempted a decapitation strike?

Zelensky can’t even guarantee his own safety, this is rich

oh, okay, not the wrestler, the gameshow guy? associate? assistant? what was the name?

That’s no trigger force, they’ll unfortunately just be grist for the mill if they don’t escape before the front overtakes them.

I think if they get foreign workers it will be expensive, and that defeats the purpose, and even if they’re foreign that doesn’t stop Russia from hitting resource extraction sites. West will disavow. I could certainly be wrong but I don’t see the west doing nuclear war over the paltry resources in UKR.

I hadn’t considered Romania and Hungary taking in Ukrainain territory, that’s interesting. Thanks for the reply!

Yeah from the Russian perspective UKR has demonstrated that with any part of the current leadership there will never be a peaceful and secure border. They continue to refuse the reasonable peace demands, which get worse for UKR every time. It seems like the endpoint is Russia controlling basically all of Novorossiya and probably Poland reclaiming territories, with no Ukrainian state remaining.

And everything will remain contested until there’s some kind of peace agreement. That’s the problem, I think.

To be honest, I think I doubt there will be Americans on the ground extracting resources. The US has made it pretty clear they have no intention to get directly involved in this and if they put civilians on the ground they’ll disavow. The resources available in the Ukraine controlled areas don’t seem particularly compelling.

edit: hell where are they going to get the local workforce? They’re all either dying in trenches or hiding from conscription. This entire idea is a non-starter while the war continues.

The US will put American civilians on the ground in areas of production and make the (probably safe) bet that Russia won’t strike them.

We’ll see how that pans out. If they put mercenaries on the ground, they’re legitimate targets.