This is even lamer than his usual couch theatrics about feigning being “diSrEspeCtEd!!!1!!!”. This comes off as Vance being this soft and weak couch potato who feels threatened even by the sight of signs. Considering how little concern he showed about Ukrainian children being “confronted” by russian missiles, he is now eligible for my prayers. He still have to work for my thoughts though.
yeah it’s a philosophical question the answer to which changes with the times (like, does free speech/expression even mean the same thing in the 1700s as in the present era where “speech” is delivered and amplified by machines without even the necessity of direct human involvement).
I would have reported the pic for gore, but I think hiding it under spoiler is fair game. What humanity should have learned from this story is that just because ideologies that consider fairness or empathy a weakness might appear viable and effective to grab power quickly, we have plenty of gory evidence that they do lead to the annihilation of millions, including those initially benefiting from them.
I know reading comprehension is harder when you’ve already made up your mind about what I think, but you’re better than this. I hope.:)
I really find it statistically baffling how many times that is the first response…sophisticated sounding titles works for you until you actually have to explain things.
The point of my post is that some of the loudest proponents of free speech have ulterior motives. No more, but definitely no less. I’m not here to relitigate the limits of free speech no matter how hard you want to steer the discussion in that direction.
On the other hand, if you come to discussions with this many preconceived notions and generalizations wrapped in a metric ton of condescension, then perhaps you might be the driver of your own “statistical bafflement”.
America has litigated this multiple times & you had strong arguments from both sides, but in the end free speech won & I believe it was the right choice. I’d suggest you actually study history & those trials a bit more.
You are assuming ignorance from others while projecting ideas from other discussions you’ve had in the past onto my original post. I purposely avoided making any statements on how to approach or resolve the tolerance paradox because it’s complicated. Nazis lying about their affinity for free speech isn’t.
I think they only fear looking weak.
Interesting read.
They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The antisemites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.
This is what we see these days. Trump and his followers lying is normalized, i.e., they are not “obliged to use words responsibly”, whereas anybody argues against trumpists is.
They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
This is what changed since then. They no longer fear being seen as ridiculous or stupid. They embrace it.
the problem is exactly what we see with measles.
The thing about public health is that it’s public interest over personal choices. In a functioning free society those personal choices would still align with public interest based on the understanding of societal good. So the antagonism is totally artificial.
It’s interesting to watch this, and while Bernie is slightly left to my values, how come this octogenarian gets it and the rest of the party doesn’t? I’m just amazed that some democrats interpret this as “let’s align with MAGA” a little more, instead of calling those “right wing radicalists”. The future of Dems is to be the anti-oligarchy party. While I understand how risky this may be as unlimited dark money pouring in can tilt things, but people still have the power if they unite.
sadly, if we told them the “dems definitely don’t want you to drink methanol, because it’s bad for you”, there’d be some who’d do it out of spite. this is literally what’s happening with vaccines, but one’s mental blindness leading to physical blindness has some poetry to it.
This is the thing that distinguishes the intellect of orbán and trump. Orbán developed what he officially named “the system of national collaboration” with an unofficial motto of “those with us will thrive [and those who are against us will struggle]”. So initially they made sure that it was a lucrative thing to align with the system making it very inconvenient for systematic resistance to emerge. Trump seems to be failing this idea already in the acute phase: maintaining pressure even when companies realign with him makes it much more convenient to push back straight up…
This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything with oligarchic takeover of academia. The goal is to inflict financial pain on the largest research universities located in states where republicans have limited power. Many of these universities (at least the private ones) will be able to offset some of the financial deficits through accepting private donations that will increase the influence of donors over university policies, so they can realign them with the oligarchs.
In the meantime, the big name universities will start applying for private grants making those unattainable for smaller institutions, so this financial pain will “trickle down”. The long-term effect will be, fewer PhDs, fewer people wanting to do science, fewer people coming to the USA to do research and will overall put an end to US scientific supremacy that has always relied on brain drain anyway.
Just another great example how trump and trumpists don’t understand geopolitics (they are triggering nuclear rearmament), and they don’t understand science either (they want scientific solutions, like carbon capture, but hate scientists who figure these out).
The GOP is trying to portray itself as the “anti elitism party”, but in reality they are simply the financial elite’s party attacking the intellectual elite. Ironically what draws working people towards the GOP is the idea that one day they’ll become rich-rich. In reality, helping people to get an education is a much more realistic goal and would actually help society as a whole.
don’t get your hopes up. Harvard has billions and billions on private endowments. They are gonna be impacted the least.
“tiergas”? what are we, animals?:)
Ad homonym jokes aside, as a university researcher I was absolutely disgusted by Columbia’s approach to the protests. They literally approached this the worst way possible and spilled gasoline on fire. However, this is just an excuse to divide public opinion while they are actually aiming to defund top universities. If you punch a few $100M holes in university budgets it will kill research first. And that’s the goal.
assembling the stupid, bigoted, gullible, and most importantly - least empathetic bunch of people.
To me the one of the funnier things is these same people who whine endlessly about the oppression by political correctness getting upset about being called deplorables or plain ol’ stupid.
The way Ryleigh presented her story made it sound like she was expecting the trump administration to impregnate her. Incredibly absurd…
At least there’s still an option for her: all she has to do is message Musk…
“SLAMMED” I say! “SLAMMED!”
What is this open mic night? FFS.
yeah vance had the edge on the casting couch
Look, statements like this are very easy to make but nearly impossible to implement in the era of LLM-powered bots riding the Algorithm. Unless you simply give free rein to the bots, which is often the goal and ultimately eliminates actual humans’ free speech. I don’t pretend that I have a perfect solution, but there is sufficient historical evidence to point out the threads’ original statement on absolutistic terms. For the rest, I’ve used the word “some” because not everybody has ulterior motives, but the most motivated ones in the present era tend to.