• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    As an American who just had some glorious fake pizza last night, I thought I hated pasta until I had good Italian, and then I realized I just hate Americanized Italian food. Except pizza, we do it better.

    Pasta still isn’t my favorite, but I’ll take it if it’s authentic. My SO makes some great aglio e olio and carbonara, often with shrimp.

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      As someone who makes pizza from scratch every week, I love all forms of pizza from fast food US pizza (like Dominos), to “drunk” US pizza dipped in ranch, to NY pizza, to Chicago deep dish, but what I make at home is always simple Italian pizza with just a few ingredients: dough, a sauce made from San Marzano tomatoes specifically canned for pizza with some salt, fresh oregano, mozzarella cheese, and olive oil. Sometimes I add a ton of arugula on top too. What’s nice is that pizza is also kinda healthy actually.

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      1 day ago

      Wait can you explain the difference between Americanized pasta and Italian pasta? Isn’t all pasta just… pasta?

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        It’s very common in the US to just plop some pasta sauce on top of noodles for one thing… You gotta cook the pasta in the sauce real quick! If any American reads this and doesn’t do that I promise that tiny change will already improve your pasta experience.

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        You’re obviously not Italian…

        Starting with the pasta itself (not how it’s prepared), they use different ingredients. Italian pasta is usually made from high quality duram wheat, whereas American made pastas use a variety of flours, and usually includes eggs (rare with Italian pasta), which results in a softer cooked product. That leads to cooking differences, where Italians prefer firmer texture (al dente), whereas Americans tend to have it softer.

        And then we have sauces. Italians usually keep it simple with a handful of ingredients, and Americans add milk/cream, sugar, cheese, or anything else that sounds good. Americans also go overboard on the sauce, so you get a lot less of the pasta flavor (yes, pasta has flavor, y’all need to add salt to the water).

        And that’s restaurant quality pasta dishes. It gets wild when you look at what’s in those prepared meals in the freezer section.

        I give pizza a pass because I don’t like bread much (yes, I’ve had good Italian pizza), so loading up on toppings works really well. But I just don’t like the mushy mess that is American-style pasta.

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          And then we have sauces. Italians usually keep it simple with a handful of ingredients, and Americans add milk/cream, sugar, cheese, or anything else that sounds good. Americans also go overboard on the sauce, so you get a lot less of the pasta flavor

          What the fuck Americans?

          (yes, pasta has flavor, y’all need to add salt to the water).

          Wait do Americans not do that? In that case I have to thank Italian Reunification for giving the Middle East real pasta.

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            Most pasta in the US suggests to salt the water when you boil it, I don’t think many Americans do. My mother didn’t, at least.

            This may be a result of the war on salt that came from heart disease concerns of the 80s/90s.

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            Yeah, a lot of people just toss the pasta in bong boiling water and pull it out when it’s soft. Sometimes they’ll add oil to stop it from sticking (due to overcooking already soft pasta), and they’re shocked when I tell them they need to add salt.

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        Most likely the difference between handmade pasta and dried pasta but that’s not a geographical thing