Then there’s the drivers who just don’t give a fuck.
I was on my motorcycle heading to work one day at 5:30 am, in the left track of the curb lane, and some twat cut between me and the curb. He scared the shit out of me.
I thought about following him but decided work was more important.
When I was riding it got to a point I was happier as a passenger than the driver.
I literally had someone honk at me while I was crossing the street on foot, at a crosswalk where they had a red light and I had the right of way. Some drivers just assume you are supposed to get out of their way regardless of the law.
On the bike I stop (or at least California stop) and check at every crossroads, I move to the side off the road for awhile to let cars pass if they are behind me, walk the bike across any larger intersections using the crosswalk. make every effort to be seen and polite, oh so polite.
But a fucking crosswalk, while the light is red for cars, who doesn’t know how that works? You shouldn’t drive if you don’t know at least the basic rules.
I just started driving, cant tell how drivers dont see them, theres mirrors for a fucking reason, look before taking a change in action.
It turns out that for some drivers, there is this psychological side where they’ve trained themselves to only look for car-shaped objects. As a result, they may not even notice motorcyclists or bicyclists.
Rule #1 for cyclists, if they didn’t look you in the eyes, they didn’t see you.
A few days ago there was this guy who was looking at me through the passenger window but still running the stop sign and not yielding.
As somebody that rode a motorcycle for years: you can make eye contact and still be unseen.
I would argue it’s hard to make eye contact with most motorcyclists because you cant see their face
They really need to change the title to “look and don’t care”
Drivers take insane risks to not have to sit behind a bicycle.
I often get passed right before a bend where it’s impossible to see what’s coming, leaving barely any room to maneuver.
Even when they see a car coming, many still attempt (and often fail) to pass me.
At crossings, they simply not care and keep driving, even if you have right of way.
It’s not that they don’t see you, they just expect you to not take a risk against a car.
If I took a shot for every time a car overtook me in order to speed up to a red light, I might die of alcohol poisoning before DUI.
The slower speed just works better within crowded cities. It gets you where you’re going faster.
Or the classic narrow pass on the approach to a red light where I’m simply going to filter past away.
The local heart sugery unit in the hospital really needs to encourage the surgeons to start turning up in plenty of time before the start of their shift.
It’s crazy how many of them out on the streets are cutting it so fine that they can’t follow along for a little while until it is safe to overtake.
You noticed this, too?! I live near a major regional medical center/hospital, and just minutes before the start of shifts is when the really insane drivers are on the streets, headed that direction. I know it’s medical staff, because of their vanity plates.
erm . . no I obviously don’t think there a loads of heart surgoens late for work all over the streets either on cars or bikes.
But in general, yes, people working for emergency services should have superior rights to public space that’s why they get the flashing lights and sirens. If the biker is an emergency services and turns on lights and siren, others should make way.
Motorists are taught to make sure it is safe before proceeding, other cars and trucks are a threat, cyclists and pedestrians are not a threat to a motorist in a vehicle. It’s like the invisible gorilla video, sometimes when concentrating on one thing, can’t see another no matter how obvious it is.
Here they don’t even look to see if it’s clear. If there’s a break in traffic, they go. Doesn’t matter they’re starting from zero and traffic is going 50. “I go now. Good luck to you.”
The closest I’ve been to an accident was trying to cross a very busy intersection full of pedestrians, cyclists and cars. Intensively looking out for them and wait for a safe moment, then missing a full sized tram.
Pester your acquaintances and loved ones into learning the Dutch Reach!
I’m not going to start opening doors with my gun hand, are you insane?
Just have the kids hold the gun for a sec!
Uh… That link stays blue.
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Or demand that all bike routes are separate from traffic, not just a line painted to force cyclists into the door zone.
Yeah thought it was not necessary to even mention that.
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Never heard of this one before. Good tip!
I’ve noticed a few intersections around me have put up “Yield to bicycles when turning right” signs.
Sad that a basic fundamental rule of driving needs its own dedicated sign. It’d be like having a sign that says “Proceed on green”.
We’ve started putting NO RIGHT ON RED signs at intersections, and motorists are still running over pedestrians!
You can’t design away stupidity. The danger is people behind the wheel of these aerodynamic tanks.
Just make turning at all on a red illegal. Many countries do this and we get by just fine. I went to the US a couple summer ago and wife and I got nearly taken out while walking across a street by this woman only looking left and not planning to stop at the light coming off a highway.
You can’t design away stupid, but if this is a regular problem then the intersection is designed stupid and you need to design a better one.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201978334-killed-by-a-traffic-engineer
To a significant extent, you can design away stupid. Look at the concept of poka-yoke (mistake-proofing) in manufacturing processes: arranging things in a way that minimizes the possibility of common errors. And note that its inventor originally called it baka-yoke (idiot-proofing) but that bluntness rocked the boat a bit too much.
Having separate paths for bikes and motor vehicles, and appropriately controlled intersections to take that into account, is a proven life-saver.
@futatorius @drkt_ basically every (successful) safety feature in anything is an example of designing away stupid (plenty of examples where it designs *in* stupid too, though). And just as important, designing away tired/distracted. Everyone makes mistakes, even when they’re not idiots. It’s this isn’t it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy/_of/_hazard/_controls
@futatorius@lemm.ee also replying to you
I think there’s been a semantic misunderstanding -
I’m saying that people are going to be stupid and you should design an intersection that accounts for it. I don’t think that’s ‘designing away stupid’ because the stupid is still present. It has merely been limited or entirely contained, but I don’t want to have a semantic argument. Just understand that we agree, and the book I reference says almost exactly what you both said.
@drkt_ @futatorius gotcha. In your example “designing away stupid” sounds like it might be… well… eugenics. Very much happy to agree that that doesn’t work.
when drivers [don’t] look [and] don’t see cyclists on the road
me at almost every goddamn intersection. The bike lanes have only been there for about five-six years, I guess they still need time to get used to them… >.>
If only cyclists wouldn’t be as equally ruthless against pedestrians. Here in Germany cyclists expect you to jump out of the way while the drive illegally on the sidewalk. This shows that they just want to be equally selfish, so they deviate to driving somewhere else where they can impose their rules on weaker traffic attendants. That’s just entitled-bitch behaviour.
when cyclists [don’t] look [and] don’t see drivers on the road
me at almost every goddamn intersection. The auto lanes have only been there for about five-six generations, I guess they still need time to get used to them… >.>
Whoops. Wrong instance.
A driver isn’t going to be seriously injured or even killed if their car is hit by a bike at speed.
Do you morons think that cyclists are just that suicidal or something?
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you kill fractional human beings. Some from emissions, some from collisions, but statistically, for every km traveled, some fraction of a human being dies. Casually going to the convenience store for some smokes has a moral component. People hate it when things they want to do have a moral component. They will convince themselves that black is white and up is down to avoid engaging with it.
I think the starting assumption in any accident investigation should be that it’s the driver’s fault. That’d encourage appropriate caution. But it’s undeniable that some cyclists (and pedestrians) are suicidally reckless.
Do you say “it’s always the damn car driver” when you saw another car do something stupid?
But of course, it’s the cyclist that is bad.
Yeah dumbass, like cyclists are just BEGGING to get killed by YOU. Self important dickwad.
