And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.
“No, I want to ruin my country!”
No why would they do that
They need a Holiday in Cambodia
Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn’t already Russian
Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.
Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?
Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.
I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.
It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.
I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.
They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.
I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.
They never looked dem soc to me as they advocated liberally for the venezuelan militia to murder venezuelans protesting the socialist dictatorship and parroted Venezuela’s government party line to anyone that cared to listen
Denying? That’s outright praise.
All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations… uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m’lady
Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always “look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!”.
Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.
He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.
Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.
I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.
I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that’s as bad as Reddit’s corporatism.
My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.
I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.
Leftist fetishism for ideological purism is what will always lead to their demise any time they manage to get any meaningful power.
I liked it when we mostly focused on welfare, education, and safety regulation. Those were the things that really mattered.
The proletariat seizing the means of reproduction and having riotous revolutionary street parties with burning vehicles and smashed windows and firing squads for the sake of ending worker alienation isn’t really something that will help anyone with anything.
Especially if you’re just gonna top it all off by handing over power to a group of cruel hardasses when you’re done, when you’ve got your fill of raging against the city.
Okay, yes, this was my exact experience as well. I don’t recall where I got banned, but I was simply making the point that we should use the best bits of socialism and merge them with more modern systems.
They did NOT like that. It seems so incredibly reasonable, and mild to suggest stuff like this… Like, these people really are the “snowflakes” the right attests them to be.
I will always advocate the people leave those platforms and go to other instances. I don’t know why everybody moved over to Lemmy.world when people left reddit. I assume it must have been heavily promoted over there although I never saw it.
Been on a smaller instance has only upside, it’s far less likely to go completely insane and then get itself defederated from other instances, it does not tend to get DDoS attacks as much, and you can still access all the content on those larger instances, assuming you want to.
Seems unlikely they’d do that, perhaps the angle you took might have triggered them. They tend to know their history and cite well, and get lied about a lot, so they’re suspicious of people who might get details wrong and probably take them for trolls.
their savior Karl M
Obviously I can’t fairly judge what you wrote but you are at the very least not left wing right?
I’m very left wing. So left wing that I recognize that the USSR was a capitalist authoritarian state with central wealth distribution. Even Marxists can mistake the map for the territory. Marx isn’t Christ and Das Kapital isn’t a bible, but don’t tell them.
As someone who has actually studied political science, they absolutely do not know their history well lmao. They are (shitty) Orthodox Marxists and react quite strongly to being shown anything outside of that 150 year old bubble.
They know a few core historical anecdotes that MLs cling to. But their knowledge breaks down extremely quickly when you try to reduce political science and statecraft to academic first principles, even when those principles intersect strongly with their ML orthodoxy.
They are campists. They form their philosophy around relitigating cold war drama more than anything to do with actual socialism.
What would you have them read to remedy this?
And to take a current event as a litmus test since I don’t know you or your bias, do you condemn Israel’s racism, zionist ideology and their war crimes etc?
So many things. But I’d start with The Ethics of Ambiguity to temper the autocratic revolution fetish.
This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.
I think both kinda suck, so I’m making my own that’s completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.
The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don’t have a ton of time.
Recently had someone argue Palestine isn’t genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.
Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.
Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.
Given how often it has happened, I’d say it’s the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they’d probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.
Rules. Lame
I’m curious about mod log editing, can you elaborate?
But yeah, ml has basically marked my accounts at this point because I’ve repeatedly challenged their socialist orthodoxy and they seem really upset about it. Basically any time I comment I get another ban with no explanation.
No modlog editing happened. The modlog is federated so editing it makes no sense.
Look up the user internettubes in the modlog and you will find it:
Ok, so it seems that bans by admins don’t show up on the modlog after two days. There wasn’t anything that indicated the auto-filtering so it’s sort of a black box scenario, and it sort of defeats the purpose of the modlog if you have to know the event you are looking for to begin with.
Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.
Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?
Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.
So my “claim” is “iffy”, ok. Any Lemmy admin can tell you there are issues with the code. And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?
You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.
Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?
What’s not clear? The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed. If you don’t agree during signup your account will be locked as well.
And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?
Are you asking me why instances who might want to abuse their power might not propagate certain actions to other instances so they aren’t as visible? Or why it might seem like a bug when attempts at removal don’t seem to work out? I’m not accusing you, but these are valid concerns lemmy has to face.
But yeah, f it’s “bad server code” and not actually federated when bugs occur, there’s not much of a point to claiming they are. So far I don’t see that there might have been willing intent to screw with the modlog as the original complaint suggested, but it shouldn’t be left up to good faith. If it’s supposed to be federated, it should be. If everything isn’t getting federated, it should be clear what isn’t. If the modlog isn’t displaying everything, it should be clear when it isn’t. As of now, to anyone who can’t bother to look at the code, it’s a black box and it’s clear that the modlogs between servers aren’t lining up the same.
The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed.
Where did the user say they did not agree with the TOS? No point in not citing the original comment that was archived, because there’s no point there at which it does. It only contains criticism in a thread made by admins saying they were open to criticism. The closest it comes to not agreeing with the TOS is the criticism here:
“You waive Lemmy.World … from any claims resulting from any action taken by Lemmy.World, and any of the foregoing parties relating to any investigations by either us or by law enforcement authorities.” - I see many lawyers try to sneak this one, but there are very few courts that wouldn’t allow me to file a claim even with this under a Terms of Service I haven’t even had to explicitly indicate I agree with if, say, lemmy.world decided to violate my GDPR protections because censors in China didn’t like a comment I made about Tiananmen Square, requested my personal private data lemmy.world has on me, and they decided to give it to them.
But at least thanks for opening up on that. Is it also true that you haven’t contacted them or responded to them directly either?
You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.
Considering how little it took for a user to get their entire user account purged and banned, I’m not sure why you would consider it surprising that anyone else who raises an eyebrow wouldn’t want to risk any previous account they made.
It’s a testament that you haven’t banned this account already from the instance given how you treated the original user, but it still seems like hunting around for an excuse, like maybe being able to apply the label of “ban evasion” like that you gave kbin.social/InternetTubes, just to dismiss criticism.
You and AvaddonLFC certainly seem to know each other personally and are the two most active admins on the instance, so if I do seem to be pushing this, it’s because I am definitely concerned about making any considerable amount of contributions over a considerable degree of time only to have it deleted or removed with a complete and utter disregard.
I’d rather face the problem sooner rather than later. Allowing it or not saying anything about it is basically allowing a way to gaslight and remove the reputation a user might have built up over time to one where it’s just a random claim versus a position of seniority. I’ll give you that I am one of the few people who seems to care about the issue, so I probably won’t be returning to my lemmy.world account, at least not without a VPN proxy and a separate VM instance.
This shit is so embarrassing
I’m having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.
lemmygrad is run by nutomic and dessalines. you’re right tho that hexbear is just… a bunch of unsocial weirdos who were asked to leave everywhere else because they were unpleasant to interact with
You don’t have to like the artist?
People are advocating about blocking commingles and stuff when one doesn’t like then, and here we are with people obsessed with 2 other people digging all their past comments from years ago and reposting in a community here anything that doesn’t reaches this place because it is either blocked or defederated.
So if anyone has blocked them, not to miss the news smh
This comment is pretty old. Do we really want to demonize anything anyone has said? I’ve probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.
Unless he’s still pushing these talking points, I really don’t see the point
Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that’s Dessalines? Genuine question…
The irony that he started lemmy because he got a ban and then does the same shit on his own platform.
Thanks. Ugh, I don’t want to use lemmy anymore now…
Using their own creation against them is poetic justice though. Nothing stopping anyone from forking the backend either.
Or you could just join an instance that isn’t federated with lemmy.ml
Block should be handled by client so any user can decide for themselves.
goat, whoever that person is, doesn’t mind his own bussines, and likes to judge other people
And also, propaganda, please stop taking sides, stop listening to propaganda. All countries are bad, media is lying
Sorry what’s your complaint?
What’s the point of paying attention to people you don’t like, what’s the point of spreading propaganda?
Maybe that person is spreading Chinese propaganda, but you’re spreading anti Chinese propaganda, you’re not a bit better than that person
