Was banned on a totally different instance and community despite never commenting in the community.
I suspect I was banned for questioning the narrative in this thread yesterday:
I am a trans person and have no issue with trans people expressing who they are. The mods and admins of blahaj frequently use Gatekeeping as a false umbrella ban for any user they want to get rid of. This is also discussed in yesterday’s thread by some users.
The owners of that 196 space have proven they are unable to let sleeping dogs lie and are hellbent on tearing down all other instances in a tribal war, and have decided to start lurking in other spaces and preemptively banning people like reddit mods.
This is not fair moderation practices, it’s a petty tit for tat because abuse in their community was called out yesterday.
Apparently, transmedicalism now is “Not believing human beings are opossums” according to the Blahaj admins.
Congratulations, Blahaj, Defender of Trans Folk! You managed to bully a trans Fediverse user into leaving! That’ll show them to be trans and have opinions that aren’t your’s!
the responses + voting in this thread suggest that lemmy is full of extremely headfucked furries who think they are actually animals. the internet can be pretty bad for you
Blahaj users like to support one another. Tumblr swarm etc etc
As I told PugJesus in a PM a few days ago, I am starting suspect the instance, its admin and many of its mods are actually trolls.
It really feels like it.
I joined the Fediverse recently and looked for the trans community, what I found was tribalistic infighting, tone policing, and ironically gatekeeping. Literally worse moderation and vibes than the lgbtq subreddits I was on.
Is there another reddit like space people from reddit can move to that isn’t the Fediverse?
Unironically, hexbear.net
You can tell what they want about their communities, but their respect towards trans people is top notch.
Aren’t those communities for tankies?
I was already banned from .ml for referring to Xi as a dictator. So idk if I would fit in there.
Check the modlog and y’all will see why Kolanaki hates Blahaj. Here’s a hint, same shit as OP and PJ.
Here’s a hint, same shit as OP and PJ.
Not believing in dragons?
petition to disallow this type of post in this community !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a valuable space for community health and accountability and i for one am not here to see snarky banned from blahaj posts
i have no problem with this kind of content existing it should just be relegated to something like c/bannedfromblahaj or something.
petition to disallow this type of post in this community !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a valuable space for community health and accountability and i for one am not here to see snarky banned from blahaj posts
Of course, power tripping isn’t applicable to Blahaj.
YDI, go apologize if you actually care, otherwise clearly that space wasn’t for you anyway. The admin there has been very clear that such dialogue is not permitted in the space she owns and that she maintains the right to do preemptive bans. You can disagree with the rules but you can’t be butthurt that you broke them and got whacked for it.
The admin there has been very clear that such dialogue is not permitted in the space she owns and that she maintains the right to do preemptive bans.
Ah yes, as we are on the comm “MyHouseMyRules”
As much as I hate to agree with them, spujb is right about this one. Ada made her stance on the matter clear, and IIRC, it’s an official rule now.
So a preemptive ban isn’t exactly uncalled for here considering the disrespect in that last screenshot…
banned for gatekeeping
YDI, this that you are/were doing. It doesn’t matter if you are a trans woman. Gatekeeping people’s identities is still gatekeeping. Blahaj bans transmedicalists so you should know better than to try and say it’s okay because you’re a trans woman. In addition the whole "Just asking questions rhetoric isn’t accepted either because it’s what those “polite transphobes” you see on BBC use and honestly they should be banned. Not banning them is to fall for their bullshit and allow them to continue their invalidating and abusive arguments.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com This seems like a rehash of the other locked topics. Lots of bellyaching, very little merit in them.
Trans people are going to be put in camps and you idiots care more about if trolls have their pronouns respected.
Bulling me until I submit to your definitons of my sexuality is ironically gatekeeping.
What a inclusive community for sensible people. FFS
No, your rigid definitions and trying to decide which trans or queer people are valid is gatekeeping and as @MossyFeathers@pawb.social said, your eagerness to capitulate to fascists is harmful. Why would anyone want to welcome you with open arms to their communities when you are doing exactly the same thing that transphobes do, invalidating people’s identities.
Don’t you dare fucking lump me in with fascists.
My identity has been invalidated in favor of people who use gender to troll people who experience actual oppression.
I never thought that i would agree more with reddit moderation policies considering this space was supposed to be better. But kicking trans people out of trans spaces because they don’t think dogs and dragons are people is something even they know is ridiculous. I guess that’s just something that comes from older spaces where they have worked through their growing pains.
Don’t you dare fucking lump me in with fascists.
Then quite acting like one, and quit trying to act like being trans somehow grants you immunity from being one, because there are indeed trans people who are fascists and who side with fascists and in this thread you’ve been acting like one. Gatekeeping people’s identities and claiming we should because you believe some identities are harmful or causing transphobia. If you don’t see how that’s harmful there’s nothing more to say here, but your continued behavior in this thread reinforces my opinion that you absolutely deserve it.
I don’t want to be equated with people who pretend to be animals and mythical creatures. It’s an insult to actual gender identities that exist in the real world off of the internet.
I thought blahaj was supposed to be the inclusive space for lgbtq people who want to vent about real oppression in reality, not have to justify totally normal and grounded views. I now see you people are crazy and maybe i should block the instance or go to a different reddit alternative.
Do you realize that comparing trans people to these “hair color” gender identities only invaludates actual trans people?
Like look at this from the perspective of a real person in the real world. People can change genders, but they can’t become dogs or dragons. I’m sorry you feel otherwise but that’s how it is.
Do you realize that transmedicalists and the people claiming to be the “good trans people” are literally one step above fascists. You’re sitting here trying to argue transphobic and gatekeeping talking points as if it’s valid or okay. The thing that is an insult to trans people are people like you who feel they have the right to gatekeep others and their gender identities, all under the guise of capitulating to the fascists who want them gone.
Oh and yeah I did compare you to a transmedicalist. your gatekeeping is very much the same flavor as transmeds. Trying to gatekeep identities “for the good of trans people” blahaj doesn’t support that or people who partake in it, because it is a toxic and cruel belief, and the people who perpetrate it are toxic and cruel people. You’re proving that by your continued desire to prove yourself as one of the “good trans people” while gatekeeping and invalidating xenogenders and neopronouns openly.
You calling trans people fascists is not making the case for inclusivity.
Since you say Blahaj doesn’t support trans people, is there a space on this site that does support us?
This seems like a rehash of the other locked topics
This one seems pretty settled by now compared to yesterday.
I don’t imagine it will stay that way for long, these threads almost always become a breeding ground for people who were banned for gatekeeping or transphobia to bellyache and whine about blahaj for not allowing blatant or subtle gatekeeping.
Edit: Called it, thread is filled with whiny transphobes and gatekeepers bellyaching about being banned from a privately run Lemmy server for their refusal to follow the rules and respect others.
If this isn’t gatekeeping, then what is it? Sparkling “just asking questions”? This is what gatekeeping is, sweetheart. It’s a form of bigotry in which you tell someone, either directly or through implied statements, that their identity isn’t valid. No wonder you got banned from a queer safe space. It doesn’t matter how trans or gay you are, perpetuating the cycle of abuse will get you banned from queer safe spaces.
If you’re unable to fathom the possibility that someone could have an identity that doesn’t make sense to you, grow up. There are a lot of things that people do which seem silly in life but are an integral part of who they are. Grow the fuck up.
Edit as a warning to cis allies for this comment chain: I was a bit sloppy with my aim, sorry if you caught a stray bullet.
I am a trans woman.
I have no issue with Neopronouns, they/them/it, even the humans who identify as like Xi/Xit I’m fine with even though it’s a bit weird imo.
But non human gender identities is where I draw the line
I’m sorry, but I don’t like transgender people being looped in with people who want to be animals, mythical creatures, and aliens. It comes off as disingenuous when these people try to insert themselves into trans spaces to get validation while trans people IRL are being put in camps.
Ironically the admins have decided what the definitons of transgender are, and gatekeep that definiton.
If you think bullying trans people into these weird guilt games is productive then maybe you should grow up, sweetheart.
I’m trans too, so it doesn’t matter how many times you say you’re trans sweetheart. That’s not gonna work. Furthermore, unlike you, I’ve decided not to let the cis people define who I am. If it wasn’t the otherkin and therians then it’d be someone else they’d be demanding we remove. I remember when people said enbies weren’t valid. So some people decided to try to exclude enbies from the definition of being trans and you know what happened? The leopards turned around and ate their faces once they were done feeding on the enbies.
Why do you care what cis people think? That’s the only reason why you’d care. That’s literally the only reason why you’d give a shit is if you think being trans is some kinda fucked up badge of pride or if you’re trying to tame transness for the poor, sensitive cis people. Lemme tell you, the leopard will never cease to be hungry sweetheart. Grow up and quit caring about what the cis bigots think. Stop helping them to be bigots. They’ll come for us sooner or later, doesn’t matter how many people you throw under the bus.
And yes, I’m being condescending because you’re acting like a child, trying to tell everyone how to play the game because a bunch of bullies once told you how you were supposed to play it. Do you know what those bullies are called? Fascists. Do you know what we do with fascists? I’ll give you a hint, we don’t sit down and drink tea with them. Fascists are not worth the air they breath. Stop feeding them. Until you do, you are no better than they are.
So what is the healthy conclusion that is reached by conflating trans human beings with people who want to be dogs and aliens? Do you understand in the real world somebody hears that and assumes everyone involved is crazy?
I remember this same drama happening on reddit, and after the terfs failed to invalidate enby people the terfs started to become dogs and attack helicopters to make a mockery of our non cis genders.
If my parents and grandparents can understand it or at least learn to accept it, so can your average person. We’re being true to ourselves. We’re living our lives the way we see fit. We are alive, at least for now, and I will stand my ground because I’m not a pussy-ass bitch who’d sell out my friends and family to make a bigot happy.
If you want to hurt yourself to make the cis people happy, then go knock yourself out, I suppose. However I’d appreciate it if you’d do it a nice, safe distance away from my family, friends and I; which means queer safe spaces don’t seem like your speed.
Me? I’ll be encouraging my friends and family to thrive and be the people they’ve always wanted to be.
I’m sorry you’ve never had anyone to give you that strength.
Ok, you aren’t using Neopronouns so that really isn’t relevant. Your pronouns say she/they
Would your grandparents respond positively to you trying to convince them you are a dog?
I wore my opossum tail during family Christmas. No one cared. I wore my collar. No one cared. I wore my furry stuff and carried my plushies around and despite being 30yrs old, you know, the age well beyond the point where you’re supposed to have grown out of that stuff, no one cared. This was in Texas.
You know why I wore my opossum tail and collar? Because at the end of the day I feel like I have an opossum’s soul and it honestly feels really weird not to wear them. I’m fucking skrunkly and constantly worried about everything. Did I make a big deal out of it though? No. I just lived my life the way I wanted to and no one had a problem with it. The reason I don’t use neopronouns has nothing to do with their validity, I simply find them awkward. However I will not tell someone they are invalid or they shouldn’t use them themselves.
Oh, and before you try to tell me I’m invalid, I’m AMAB. I’m trans in more than one way.
You know why I wore my opossum tail and collar? Because at the end of the day I feel like I have an opossum’s soul and it honestly feels really weird not to wear them.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I am going to ask here because I couldn’t do it in the other one before it was locked.
Hypothetical scenario
- An unmoderated instance allows people to make hate speech comments
- That instance also has interesting communities, so defederation is not possible
- An admin sees this and pre-emptively bans the people making hate speech comments
Would you be okay with way of moderating? I’m asking because it seems like the “despite never commenting in the community” argument gets brought up a lot, but is that really that good of an argument?
Good illustrative post.
In the end, and I am sure you are aware, you pose the wrong question. “Would you be okay with that way of moderating” isn’t the question because it ignores the dynamics of federation. Ada owns the server. If you’re not okay with the moderation, you move servers, and a huge community like 196 has already shown it will move mountains to stay on LBZ.
So, the question OP should ask is “do I care enough about this space to apologize or attempt to make ammends?”
Ada owns the server.
Which means everything she does is correct. Of course.
Nope! Bad faith as always. My reasoning for Ada being correct is found throughout a huge number of other comments and statements I have made about her, and you found the one that ✨you’re right,✨ doesn’t directly evidence Ada being in the right and instead was written about OP and their experience. :)
Would you like a pat on the head or a gold star? Since you want to treat me like I am a child?
My reasoning for Ada being correct is found throughout a huge number of other comments and statements I have made about her,
All of which boil back down to the point made here.
Would you like a pat on the head or a gold star? Since you want to treat me like I am a child?
You get a gold star for bootlicking, if you want one so badly.
Oh this is the other thread you were talking about, the crowd sure flipped on you here huh!
“The crowd” of Blahaj apologists was never on my side. Hence why they bullied a trans user into leaving the Fediverse.
Man, “blahaj apologists”, “they”, you realize how that sounds right? Honestly the way some of you who’ve been banned have reacted, in your case multiple posts and dozens of replies, “they” really dodged a bullet I think.
Bad faish is just PJ’s method of breathing at this point.
If .world was doing this to Tankies they’d be celebrating how they need to protect their favorite instance.
Careful with your wording, the people being banned aren’t gatekeeping, that’s just the bullshit excuse used and then if it’s ever refuted, well then the record says they’re a bigot and who cares what they think?
Considering every different space has different rules, it is unfair to force the loosely interpreted rules of one space on a totally different space.
That does not answer the scenario I presented above.
You not wanting to read does not change me answering your question.
Considering every different space has different rules, it is unfair to force the loosely interpreted rules of one space on a totally different space.
If you want the rules of another instance changed you can ask the owners of that instance.
Lurking/banning users mods don’t like for bullshit reasons is objectively bad policy and shows PTB
Autobans are reddit mod behavior.
I was curious why you’re being so evasive.
This is called gatekeeping people’s identities. That is what you’re doing. You are engaging in bigotry so yeah, of course you’re going to get banned from a queer safe space. It doesn’t matter how trans or gay you might be, if you’re practicing bigotry then you’re part of the problem. You’re part of the reason these safe spaces exist to begin with.
If you can’t deal with the idea that someone might have an identity that you can’t understand, then you need to grow up.
Stop perpetuating the cycle of abuse.
The fact that someone who’s supposedly trans isn’t able to understand that they are continuing the exact cycle of abuse that cis people have been pushing onto trans people is very sad. How lucky you must be to have never been doubted or told that your identity is fictional.
I am a trans woman.
I have no issue with Neopronouns, they/them/it, even the humans who identify as like Xi/Xit I’m fine with even though it’s a bit weird imo.
But non human gender identities is where I draw the line
I’m sorry, but I don’t like transgender people being looped in with people who want to be animals, mythical creatures, and aliens. It comes off as disingenuous when these people try to insert themselves into trans spaces to get validation while trans people IRL are being put in camps.
Ironically the admins have decided what the definitons of transgender are, and gatekeep that definiton.
If you think bullying trans people into these weird guilt games is productive then maybe you should grow up.
I noticed you took out the condescending “sweetheart” this time so i will too.
