The “left” has gotten sick of his act as he keeps moving further and further right in order to appease republicans. I doubt he makes it far if he runs for president unless he switches sides and goes full republican, which wouldn’t be surprising.
At least this will probably end his political career. The left really doesn’t need another rich liberal pushing for status quo, and Newsom has shown he’s effectively just that.
All of this is likely to shift his image and potentially woo some right-wing voters in a future election and… Nah. I’m not about that. Too much of that.
May the gods smile on Katie Porter’s candidacy.
Only the 2nd podcast episode in and ANOTHER anti-trans guest.
Liberal DeSantis thinks he’s going to be president.
This is how he’s trying to win the favor of party leadership. Demonstrating that he can enthusiastically throw vulnerable minorities under the bus.
Sports are stupid and people should just give less of a shit about them in general. Its not the end of the world for a person just because they cant play sports.
Not a single trans person i know actually gives a shit about sports, if being in womens sports is part of the agenda its pretty far down the list. Youd think based on how much its talked about there is some kind of massive invasion when nothing is really happening (hmm a familiar strategy). Most of these people who pretend to care can’t even name 3 women in the sport theyre pretending to rage about, let alone name a trans women whos dominating in a given sport.
Its because not enough people pushed back over the “bathrooms” because so few people even feel “comfortable” using a public rest room at all and just want to be left alone. They cant convince liberals all trans people are bathroom rapists but its a lot easier to do with sports when some of the same HRT meds is what cis people use to gain an advantage in some sports, its very easy to mudy the waters that way and shift public opinion.
He not only burnt his state down literally, but also now speaks to anti-LGBTQ+ pundits.
You guys are mad at him but he is taking the same stance that the majority of people have on it.
Whether or not he actually believes that stance only he would know, but I would suspect that like many other people who are now “flipping” on the trans athletes these people probably didn’t support them being in women’s sports, but felt compelled to say they did because of the backlash they were worried about getting.
Now that people are noticing that the general public actually doesn’t want this they are either playing into to popular stance to take or they are just feeling safe to actually express their opinions on the matter authentically.
If you think that “trans athletes” is a legitimate political concern, then you’re a dummy at best and a fascist at worst. No surprise it’s a major issue in the heart of empire.
Well it is a political concern in the sense that it’s realists and delusionals coming to a point where they can’t co-exist anymore.
You’re trying to convince people seahorses can actually fly despite everyone clearly being able to see that they cannot.
You have delusion going up against objective facts and you’re trying to get everyone on board with the delusion which will never work.
99% of people do not give a shit if someone wants to identify as trans as long as they are an adult and they aren’t trying to enter into spaces that belong to the biological gender they are now identifying as.
Where you lose people is when you involve children and when you try to make the argument that trans people are exactly the same as their bilogical mirrors. Everyone knows they are not. It is lunacy to try and pretend they are.
I will happily call them by their prefer name/gender and I will do my best to use neutral terms when I remember, but don’t vilify people for making honest mistakes. Long before the whole transgender topic really blew up I remember accidentally mis gendering people on the phone a few times because I thought they sounded masculine or feminine. There was no ill intent and they didn’t take it as such. They simply corrected me and I apologized and we moved on. That same interaction now has been turned into its own genre of rage bait video for some people.
Trans lives matter. The public opinion will shift as it has throughout history. Trans people aren’t going to go away.
Nobody said they didn’t matter?
Not wanting trans women to compete against biological women in sports does not mean people want them to “go away”. It means they aren’t the same as biological women and people are tired of you guys pretending that they are.
When you look people in the eyes and tell them that a biological man that now identifies as a woman can actually get pregnant (despite lacking the biological requirements to do so) you are asking them to ignore reality and science which most people simply aren’t willing to do.
Ozma has attached an article you really need to read about the myths. But also, why are you bringing up trans women being able to get pregnant? Is that what you define as a biological woman? Because there are plenty of cis women who aren’t able to get pregnant. No one is saying trans women can get pregnant, until we have womb transplants that is. But right now? No one says trans women can get pregnant. But we do say that after hormones the differences between cis women and trans women really isn’t a big difference besides born with equipment.
Also your insistence with using “biological” instead of cis while still saying that you don’t think trans women should disappear really isn’t helping your case. Just use cis, what’s wrong with that? The term biological is being used by the right to invalidate trans women being women at all, cis is what they are. Just use that word.
No centrist cares. They have an excuse for breaking solidarity with a vulnerable minority.
Geez, y’all go overboard with some of this stuff and it’s ridiculous. Newsom is not anti-trans, he’s not anti-LGBTQ+, and he’s not against any rights of any other marginalized communities as far his other statements and actions assert. He said he thought the sports issue was “deeply unfair”.
Guess what? Lots of people do. I hate to use a meme phrase, but we DO live in a society that has to somehow represent all people where possible. We have to try and make as many people happy with what we have to work with.
You can think that’s an unfair situation for BOTH SIDES and not be against either one. Cis women thinking it’s unfair to compete against newly transitioned women are bad now? Women are suddenly bad or wrong for speaking out on something they take issue with? What about them?
Is Newsom on the wrong side of society for being an advocate in all other ways to the LGBTQ+ community but thinking this one thing isn’t fair to either side? No. That’s a stupid assertion.
It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized.
Get a grip with this bullshit.
No one ever talks about all those times Benedict Arnold didn’t betray the US.
Lol are you kidding??? Now he’s Benedict Arnold. My fucking God. It’s like it’s impossible to help yourself to be reasonable and understand not everyone will agree with your exact definition or view of everything, and STILL not be against that. Totally okay for you do that though…
Yeah, he would’ve had to pretend to be an ally in order to betray people.
But it wasn’t just sports, he also agreed that minors shouldn’t be allowed to transition. Forcing a minor to go through one type of puberty when they wish to go through a different kind IMO is torture. Regret rates for transitioning are extremely low, and even if you do regret it you’re no worse off than someone who regrets not transitioning.
In some cases, sure I’ll grant it can be unfair for newly transitioned women, i.e. on hormones for less than a year. After that, any potential advantage is for a large part nullified (which is overly simplistic as a timeline but whatever). Also, let’s be real honest on just how many people this affects. The amount is so staggeringly small that even if we put aside that there is only a temporary advantage, there’s really not much of a problem, just a handful of individuals.
But, and this is vitally important to understand, sports are not a core, vital governmental interest and thus do not need to be legislated. To be very plain, games are not important to the functioning of society. Individual leagues can come up with their own policies if they feel it so necessary to exclude the small number of trans women who want to participate.
The entire “debate” just shows we are not a serious society. God forbid trans women want to exist and pursue their interests.
As for Gavin Newsome, this really shows he’s trying a bit too hard to start a presidential run with a theory of “let’s be Republican Lite.” That worked so well the last time.
OK lol Bro shut the fuck up, you’ve already made so many wrong assumptions in this giant ass fucking wall of text, do you really just hearing yourself speak, do you mouth the words as you type?
Then why you keep passin’ the hot mic to people talkin’ shit about trans athletes? Why amplify that voice on your government podcast? Thats literally Nazi shit. The Nazis made all this “traditional family” bullshit we are drowning in. So no, he shouldn’t be saying it and isolating the already vulnerable. Theres like 10 trans althetes in the fucken nation, leave them alone and fix the fucken markets.
Youre really leaning into my point. You’re going out of your way to equate random shit that has nothing to do with his actions or anything other things he’s done, but only that…he said the sports issue was deeply troubling. Nevermind the piece of shit he was talking to, which is way more troubling. Get mad that he was talking to Charlie Kirk of all people.
That’s the point… He brought on Charlie Kirk, and rather than, arguing with him… or trying to show his audience why what Kirk has to say shouldn’t have a place in the discourse. He basically was looking for something he can agree with and highlighting the good.
That’s not how you change minds or find common ground with people who are ideological opposite of you. It doesn’t work. We’re living through proof of that right now.
News flash… we’ve been trying the “oh yeah we don’t fully disagree, we grant you a bit of what you like, then you grant a bit of what we want”, and they respond, “oh thank you for what I want… GIVE ME MORE, oh and your stuff FUCK YOU”.
No different than when we caved out obamacare to give into the insane nonstop demands the republicans had for it, but it was worth it to earn… Zero republican votes, 60+ attempts to repeal it.
But less on the policy side lets go on just narrative public speaking types. Next step is the make your case, give a strong arguement for your side. But he’s not really doing that, he’s bringing the far right on, letting them speak, half the time agreeing, half the time being silent.
But ok, so he’s going to mix his guests 50/50, bring on one he agrees with, one he disagrees with, 2/2 right wing… nah doesn’t look that way either.
So question is, what’s he doing that’s different than Joe Rogan at this point?
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I think you’re missing the point. Trans people are under attack in the US. Many are considering fleeing the country due to how unsafe they feel. Some are unable to get passports as easily as you or I, so they cannot just up and go. Which is why many are considering asylum, because there are places now in the US where they are considered criminals, felons, just for existing.
Now out of all the topics this man can talk about, having an anti-trans bias is absolutely a choice he is making. I agree with you that the trans community has much bigger issues, and every breath we waste on who is playing kickball with who is time better spent discussing their real issues.
What’s deeply unfair is trans people being shuffled into prisons, and the media is latching onto sports. Let this podcaster fade into irrelevence, as he isn’t helping the actual problems by muddying the waters with this.
Not missing the point at all, and I even said so in the very comment you’re responding to.
And I agreed to your point in the very comment you’re reaponding to. The only thing I’m disagreeing with is giving trans sports issues a platform over their right to exist. It’s a distraction and a waste of energy.
