I’m schizophrenia and autism. I am a convicted sex offender and am being strongly told I must take the testosterone block medication andracur. Do you think I should be able to refuse.
To quote the words of the Behind the Bastards podcast, I think you should make it absolutely priority #1 to get your condition treated and prevent yourself from committing sex crimes, as in, it should be a slightly higher priority than breathing
I seldom find myself disagreeing with anything that Robert Evans has to say.
Same here. A person who owns their flaws and does everything in their power to inspire positive change is a good person in my book. And he’s funny to boot? Save some for the rest of us! Come on, dude!
Homie, it doesn’t matter. This is one of those most basic societal rules; don’t harm others (some exceptions like self defense, etc) and then don’t do shit with kids. You are the adult, it is entirely on you to police yourself. It seems you weren’t able to, so others have stepped in. If that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes.
I was very delusional at tge time with phchosis and stuff. Being autism I don’t see boundaries
It sounds like you’re saying that you need medication in order to behave appropriately, so you’re answering your own question. You certainly aren’t making the case that you should be free to follow your natural instincts.
I don’t think anyone is trying to minimize your issues; it’s not usually as black and white as it seems. However, your issues have made others need to step in for the community. You’ve taken it out of your hands and involved others, can’t go back. I’d say at this point, it’s best to let go and atone how society sees fit.
Yes I know that. My life is screwed really though. If I go back to prison I will probably get beaten up again but if I take the drugs it will seriously change me I will get fat and grow breaststroke more than likely and more serious stuff. Thinking that at 21 I won’t be able to jack off Is very daunting
Brother, I’d think about how you can not mess up the same way in the future, not about how your appearance is gonna be or how you might not be able to beat it. It seems like you’re just wanting everyone to ignore what you did because it effects you negatively.
I know that. I am also on strong antipsychotic depot injections of haloperidol. My head is screwed up I’m not making excuses. My autism efects my thinking I needed help when I was 18 and I maybe would not be a convict now.
No, I’d say you aren’t making excuses. You’re just worrying about the wrong things. You needed help, I assume you’re getting help now. Let them help. If this is what’s being recommended, I’d listen
Schizophrenia, autism and a history of sex offences? No, you should definitely have to follow certain rules.
It is not rules its chemical castration
What jurisdiction? I don’t think it’s required, usually its an alternative punishment instead of prison. So I think you do have a choice of just being in prison for a long time (but that still doesn’t solve the issue with your brain, so you would reoffend if you ever get out).
I’m not gonna blame people. I don’t believe in free will, so I know its not like you’re trying to harm people, its just brain chemicals. But here’s the thing. Imagine, there’s a defect in someone’s brain that makes them wanna kill people, and there’s a medical procedure that stops that from happening. Do you think they should be compelled to have the procedure, so they can re-intergrate in society? (I mean, the alternative is life imprisonment)
Its like a computer with malware, if tge malware isn’t removed, it has to disconnected from the internet so it stops spreading. (“disconnecting from the internet” is imprisonment in this analogy) It’s not your fault you have a defective brain, but society doesn’t trust you to be going around without being cured.
Your right I can refuse but I got beaten up in prison 8 weeks ago and am in hospital recovering. When I’m well enough I am going to a rehabilitation centre for a few weeks and then back to prison. My legal team say if while in rehabilitation I have the chemical castration it would go for me maybe not going back to prison
Well do you want to go back to prison?
“Chemical castration” is a way more loaded phrase than “testosterone blocker.”
There’s a fucking bunch of people on Lemmy who would probably pay to get test blockers. Most likely trans girls and femboys, but trans girls want also to have estrogen. I’ve even seen a completely cis man ask about testosterone blockers because they may help with male pattern baldness. So he was sitting on the fence about test blockers because he wanted the chance to keep his hair a bit longer. The negatives he was told was a somewhat muted libido, but it doesn’t completely go away.
You’re considering the same choice as his, but he was willing to give away of his horniness just to preserve hair, and you won’t do it to keep yourself from being beaten as a nonce in prison?
Cmon man. It’s not actual castration, it won’t change who you are, but when you get horny (which won’t happen as often), the lust will be easier to control. And seeing that you’re saying you’re a sex offender pedophile, that’s probably a good thing.
Sexuality urges aren’t like a limb. You won’t notice they’re gone. It’s not like you’ll be emotionally horny but unable to perform with a limp dick. No, you won’t have the horniness in the first place. And you won’t look at things which used to make you horny (and by God keep it to yourself whatever it is) and go all depressed thinking those good looking xyz used to make me horny. You just won’t notice it as much.
Or so I assume.
Like I’m comparing how horny I was ~23-24 years ago to how horny I am now. Eyes would just be drawn to asses and butts everywhere. Now don’t get me wrong I appreciate a beautiful woman walking by, but I’m not drooling after every single female.
I never did anything criminal but I definitely did some silly stuff because of show horny I was. And if it had landed me in that sort of trouble, I’d definitely rather listen to the doctors than get shanked in prison.
You’ll be traumatised in prison. And you’ll be the absolute lowest of the low because of being a sex offender.
You’re still very young.
It’s not even likely that the treatment will cost you your fertility as long as you’re not made to take it for like 3+ years. And because you’re still growing (young people can often respond to treatment relatively rapidly because brains are still so neuroplastic).
medication used in the treatment of androgen-dependent conditions such as acne, excessive body hair growth, early puberty, and prostate cancer
That’s andracur.
Don’t use the loaded word. You’ve just a bit too much testosterone. So they’ll even it out so you can control yourself. Listen to your lawyers and your doctors and don’t fiddle with any more kids. (I’m responding because I hope this is more ephebophilia and not actual pedophilia and not a troll.)
Here’s a little lighting the mood for the end
R. Kelly is not a p*dophile (technically speaking) | Gianmarco Soresi | Stand Up Comedy
Ok. I’m really not thinking to strait tge moment. I had to have a feeding tube up my nose for 4 weeks cos my jaw was smashed. Problem is I don’t think I will avoid going back to prison even if I do start on the meds. My sentence is 9 years and I’ve only done 3. There is no deal on the table I think that they will want me on it for at least another 2 years before release is considered
If the lawyers say there’s a chance, then try leaning on it?
As in try to actually accept the idea that — no offense — diagnosis aren’t an excuse, and you do need to take personal responsibility, and the way you can show that now is trying to understand that you are indeed sick in the sense of lacking understanding and being too horny, or whatever it may be.
If you accept the treatment instead of being very critical of it, it might change your chances.
My point here being that if it’s even an option, why not take it?Because I think “chemical castration” sounds a lot more emasculating than they actually are. They won’t change your soul, you’ll just have the ability to think more clearly when your brain isn’t hijacked by lust.
And in a few years, that’ll even out naturally. And especially if you get help as well.
Can’t you ask to go to committed care, at least for a few years of the sentence or smth, idk.
I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know what you did but justice and mental illness definitely aren’t served or treated by prison beat ups.
2 years in a mental facility could honestly do you good. Maybe try asking people about that idk.
5 years in prison… I don’t know what sort of prison but I’ve not heard good things about any American prisons. And since you already got beaten once…
I don’t know you or what you did but I believe in justice and actual rehabilitation instead of just stupid ass beatings as punishment.
Thanks that’s all good advice. I think Andracur is a lot worse than you think the dose will be high for sure. Definitely hope I don’t go back in gen pop again but in my state they don’t like pedophile convicts and the guard ard on tge take
There is no deal on the table I think that they will want me on it for at least another 2 years before release is considered
OK, 2 years or 6 years then?
Anyway, your legal team has said there is a chance. Only one way to find out.Really, what are you going to loose? Excessive sex drive?
Look, if you did a sex offence you persecuted someone else. You are not persecuted because of that, and thinking you are might just be the schizo.
Other posters here are going to think you should die, or even die in a nasty way, and in most times and places that’s what would have happened. Chemical castration is a good deal by that standard.
Other posters here are going to think you should die, or even die in a nasty way, and in most times and places that’s what would have happened
Eh, idk man. I’d hate to encourage rapists to murder. Also, you’re kinda asserting you know what everyone else thinks.
You’re arguing against a position I didn’t actually take. I pretty much just intended a reality check for OP there. People hate sex offenders and fear schizophrenics.
Also, you’re kinda asserting you know what everyone else thinks.
I’d put money on someone thinking that. More likely than not someone will even post it. Sure, it is a guess though.
I mean, the first reply included “it’d be better to stop breathing”.
I’m not arguing against anything you said.
I merely pointed out that the death penalty given for anything less than murder usually incentivises making lesser criminals murderers than deterring from the crime they commit.
There was a text on it since like the 1600’s-1700’s, though it talked about why it’s not wise to hang burglars.
I’d put money on someone thinking that
Oh I’m sure you’re right, but are you saying that in a “people think ‘he should’ve died’ in a rhetorical way” or a “people actually think there should be the death penalty enacted for what he did”. I believe more the former and plenty the latter, but I wouldn’t say “most” for the latter.
Plenty of people who are against the death penalty, no matter the crime. Probably depends a lot on the context of the community. As in there’s more supporting it in the US for sure than in the Nordics, where it’s not been used for a while.
Etc etc.
Anyway thought it a good point to add.
Tldr if burgling/raping carries the sentence of death and you’ve already committed the crime, better make sure there are no witnesses because adding murder on top won’t matter since they can’t kill you twice.
I’m not arguing against anything you said.
Oh, okay. Brought up out of the blue like that it seemed like you were suggesting I was in the picture. I actually tried to reach out as non-judgmentally as possible there, given the context.
There was a text on it since like the 1600’s-1700’s, though it talked about why it’s not wise to hang burglars.
Ah yes, I actually have seen that passage, although I can’t find it now. Punishing theft with death was actually particular to Germanic cultures IIRC. Even most ancient people thought that was stupidly harsh.
Hmm. I wonder if this could be an argument against life sentences, too, since they’re similarly hard to add on to.
Oh I’m sure you’re right, but are you saying that in a “people think ‘he should’ve died’ in a rhetorical way” or a “people actually think there should be the death penalty enacted for what he did”. I believe more the former and plenty the latter, but I wouldn’t say “most” for the latter.
I deliberately didn’t specify, since it would have involved a digression, but I’d guess the same. People talk mad shit on the internet.
It’s relevant to the topic, not out of the blue.
Hmm. I wonder if this could be an argument against life sentences, too, since they’re similarly hard to add on to.
Not exactly, because things change, and don’t the US serve convictions of like 3 consecutive life sentences so that it’d just a very surreal way of making sure they stay in jail?
Here in Finland “life” usually means was it 12 or 14 years, after which the president usually pardons you. But some of the more heinous murderers with several victims didn’t get the parole but that’s rare.
So if you had already murdered two people but it was like here and there how murdery you were instead of it being seconds degree murder or something, you definitely would have something to lose if you killed another dozen people.
But we don’t really get many mass murderers. Population is small and while there’s homicide it’s usually knives and like an angry spouse or smth.
I deliberately didn’t specify, but I’d guess the same. People talk mad shit on the internet.
Sure… I’m asking whether you think there’s a big difference in people who would say “kill the fucker” and people who would actually stand behind advocating for the death penalty for him, irl, if needed.
No
Well, I can’t directly answer yes/no. I think that refusal should lead to more restrictions on your freedom. I don’t mean this as a punishment, but more so as a protection measure, of others.
You need to understand that you are currently unsafe as-is, and try to work on fixing that.Searching about the specific drug (for risk assessment), hard to tell for me. I am not a medical doctor. I don’t even know the dosage and length of treatment (in case it’s not long-term).
It does seem like one of the riskier drugs, but do they outweigh the other risks?
It also seems to be commonly used by MtF trans people (it’s a T blocker, so it makes sense). If the risks are worth it in those cases, I’d wager it’s worth in yours too.And from Wikipedia:
In addition, it has been found to decrease the rate of reoffending in sex offenders from 85% to 6%, with most of the reoffenses being committed by individuals who did not follow their CPA treatment prescription.
Sounds effective.
I encourage you to go ahead with it. If that attraction/desire is so strong that you cannot control it yourself, this will most likely help you feel better too. At least that sounds logical.
Plus you should obviously get some psychological help too, not just meds. You can’t really loose anything by going to therapies, except for a few minutes of time.Unfortunately, you can’t fix the past, but you can work on the future. You won’t seem weak by trying to get help, quite the contrary. Don’t bullshit others and yourself with excuses. So please, do go ahead with the treatment. It’s not just for others, it’s not just for you, but for both.
Also, maybe it would help if you read or listened to some stories of survivors, and try to imagine yourself on the victim side instead, to build some empathy. You didn’t steal someone’s wallet, sexual abuse creates lifelong trauma.
Again, I am not MD, psychologist or even some good writer, but it sounds like a good choice from the options you currently have.
Ok really appreciate your input
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I get it but I don’t want to I’m only 21
Look, I’m sorry you got beat up, and I’m sorry you have all these conditions. Since you actually seem to be listening, I’m also sorry for the downvotes.
Unfortunately, shit is just going to be difficult for you now. It’s part of having a disability, and if you hurt someone else knowingly or unknowingly that gets even worse. I hope you can get your life back together one day.
Definitely not. Id go as far to say you need to be monitored while taking it and have your blood checked to make sure your taking it or however that medication can be traced. Consider yourself lucky we dont chop dicks off
