Well some of them voted Trump not because they were racist, but because they were sexist.
And some are even both.
TBH I’d guess the Venn diagram is pretty nearly circular.
Even my racist older brother voted for Harris, because even though he is racist af, still is smart enough to know he’d be the victim of racism himself. (We are Chinese-American) He didn’t want himself deported lol. Especially trump’s “China Virus” rhetoric didn’t sit well with him (nor me). He also voted Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 btw, he registers as a Democrat.
Had he been born in the US and were white, he’d probably voted trump. Votes for self-interest basically.
He’s still ranting about “Black People” and “Mexicans” taking up benefits, I guess he was the type of person Harris was pandering to with the “secure the borders” rhetoric 🙄
Edit: Also, he’s an asshole. Toxic af to me. Zero empathy. Claims that I’m “faking” depression. Just because someone is a “Democrat” doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a nice person.
My mind boggles when immigrants (of different ethnicity) are racist to other immigrants.
You should’ve left the feeling of unbased racial superiority to the caucasians. We’re really fucking good at it.
We are extremely tribalistic. Sociology teaches about ethnocentrism, and no human is immune to it if we are honest with ourselves. When resources are scarce or there are cultural differences, you’ll always prioritize your nation, your tribe, your family if all other things are held constant.
Which is sad because we have enough resources to go around. We need to unite under one banner of humanism, somehow…
We need to unite under one banner of humanism, somehow…
Provoke an alien civilization to invade us and we’ll be under one banner and redirect the xenophobia against the extraterrestials 🤓
It’s the same in the UK and I expect most other “westernised” countries. I’m from the UK and we have quite a large Indian population who mainly immigrated in the 70s. In my last job I worked with a bunch of second/third generation Indian immigrants before Brexit happened and they all hated the idea of more immigrants coming into the country. It’s quite amazing how narrow-minded and selfish people are.
There are people in Romania who complain about immigrants while their family is working in another country
Reminds me of UK PM Rishi Sunak getting surprised at the “Paki” racial slur used against him. I’m like: Dude, you’re a conservative, what did you expect from your fellow conservatives?
Lighter Asians did it a lot in similar ways, with some similar reasoning. Pale “jade skin” and such has definitely been praised in China and Japan, and whitening of the skin with makeup goes back centuries. Negative treatment or “exotic” treatment of dark skinned Asians (especially Pacific Islanders) is kinda common too, and darker skinned westerners find it harder to live there and work there than white westerners.
Not all Republican voters are racist. I think of it more like a “Spin the wheel” of different types of bigotry (racist, homophobic, nationalist, transphobic, sexist, religious prejudice, the list goes on), which of course has a large section of “2 extra spins” for them to land upon.
Not all Republicans are racist, but all of them don’t think racism is a disqualifying factor. Which makes them just as bad.
If you’re ok with a racist as president, you’re racist.
Yep, if you are okay with racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/queerphobia/etc, you are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/queerphobic/etc. No excuses for these people
Couldn’t agree more. Honestly it’s absurd, in the US we’ve always had the worst racists act agahst and demand they aren’t racist after vile racist acts, their bar for what qualifies as racism is usual several steps past murder one.
If there are 12 people eating dinner and laughing with a racist there are 13 racists on the table.
Hey, I’ll add another one: being forced to by your family
I’ve had my parents strongly tell me who to not vote. Bullshit like “We aren’t telling you who to vote. You’re an adult, and I believe you can make the decision yourself. I am only telling you not to vote Korčok, because that would be stupid. But I believe you aren’t that stupid.”
But hey, my father was also annoyed for me going there on my own, rather than with my mother at once (he didn’t vote), because we’re a family and must go everywhere together.
SighIf there’s any Slovakian reading this, yeah, I voted for Korčok.
Is there any way they would know who you voted for if you went together? It’s all pretty private in the US.
Nah. The voting is anonymous. I mean, the envelope including its contents has no unique information. If someone wanted to figure out who it belonged to, they’d probably have to resort to fingerprints.
Although, if you do scribble on something else, someone who’s counting the votes may take a picture of the ballot:
“I choose (vote) you, Pikachu!”
Not all Republicans are pedophiles either
However, the list is very long
Over the last few decades the GOP gradually dropped any pretense of morality taking the easiest path possible for coalition building: assembling the stupid, bigoted, gullible and conspiratorial, the least empathetic, the overworked and underinformed. They left conservative ideology back in the 80s and have won only by preying on these people’s weaknesses.
Until this year however, they managed to have enough ‘adults in the room’ to keep big business on their side so you gotta think big business this week is shitting their pants with the realization that the base has now fully overrun the party.
It’s not quite that.
The dixiecrats took over, the ones who are still enraged we took away Jim crow.
They have given the GOP a rabid base of racists who will support any economics because they don’t know what the word means.
trump i notice likes to look at half-naked photos of poser leaders like putin. I suspect most of Republican are closet.
As easy as it is to be able to say “I told you so” and point the finger at those directly responsible for this current shitshow, I think we shouldn’t lose focus of the real issue/enemy: the ultra wealthy class.
I think ideally we welcome those who may have voted for the orange turd but are now regretful, give those people a community to be supported by once they are deprogrammed from the cult. Do that and united as a lower/middle class, there’s a decent hope to take back the US and start righting some wrongs. This is just optimistic and rose-tinted drivel but I have to cling onto some hope for a future. heavy sigh
We only welcome them if and only if they over correct.
I.e. they start actively campaigning against Trump, publicly and without hesitation.
Because if they don’t, they’ll likely come out in 2026 and vote Republican again. And in the likely event that Trump goes for a third term, they’ll just be racist again.
They don’t deserve a warm welcome. If we welcome them because they finally realized Trump is bad now… Then that’s rewarding people for changing their mind because it directly affected them (which is a stupid way to make decisions). Na they need to be shamed and roasted and they should be willing to accept that because if they truly understand that Trump is bad, they should understand how fucking stupid they were. They brought this upon us.
There’s a real “no true scotsman” vibe to this comment.
Care to explain?
Nah.
lol sounds about right. As soon as someone asks to explain your counter point you run XD
“Don’t punish behavior you want to see.”
I’m not saying they should get a cookie because they joined the cause, but as long as they stay in line, support them in order to hold the line.
I doubt many of those voters will admit their stupidity
No one thinks they’re stupid, but stupid people exist.
I’m sure all the Black voters for him voted for because underneath all that make up, they see a brother.
Off topic: I fucking hate this meme format. Can’t bother to really explain why.
It’s a fantastic format from a docuseries on David Beckham.
From: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/david-beckhams-be-honest-thank-you#origin
On October 4th, the documentary series BECKHAM about the life and career of the British football player David Beckham premiered on Netflix. During an interview with Beckham’s wife Victoria, “Posh Spice” of the Spice Girls band, Victoria tells the interviewer that both she and her husband came from working-class families, with David interrupting and telling her to be honest, with Victoria reluctantly admitting that her father had a Rolls-Royce:
- [Victoria] We both come from families that worked really hard. Both of our parents work really hard. We’re very working, working class.
- [David] Be honest.
- [V] I am being honest!
- [D] Be honest.
- [V] I am being honest!
- [D] What car did your dad drive you to school in?
- [V] So, my dad did-
- [D] No. One answer. What car was it?
- [V] It’s not a simple answer because-
- [D] What car did your dad drive you to school in?
- [V] It depends…
- [D] No, no, no, no, no.
- [V] Okay, In the 80s, my dad had a Rolls-Royce.
- [D] Thank you.I’d say this is an incorrect usage of the format and is really pushing the narrative too strongly from the guy.
IDIOTIC
Hmmmm let’s see… Calling them all racist/sexist and stupid didn’t work in 2016 or in 2024… It barely worked in 2020… Let’s keep doing it even more! I’m sure that will end the political divide of this country.
I know that calling all of them them stupid, racist and sexist makes it super easy to avoid having any actual dialogue with them, but it sure as shit isn’t going to help help Democrats or progressives gain any ground in the long run.
And before anyone responds with “well we can’t/won’t have dialogue with fascists” I will preemptively tell you that you are completely missing my point.
Simply because YOU labeled all of them as fascists or you were told by someone else that they were that way doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
You can’t expect to defeat an enemy if you don’t understand them or evaluate them correctly.
Sorry you’re butthurt by OP pointing out reality. Do you also flip out when someone points out that rain is made up of water?
Pretty concerning that you think that the OP is accurately representing reality.
Also your analogy doesn’t really work the way you were hoping because rain isn’t pure water. It’s actually got a bunch of other things mixed in there too.
Kinda like how not everyone that exists to the right of your particular position is a racist/sexist idiot. I’m sure plenty of them are, but to say that they all are is disingenuous and you know it.
You’re right, of course. They’re not ALL stupid racists. Much like rain also contains miniscule portions of debris which the water forms droplets around, MAGA also contains a core component of incredibly evil people, and a few run-of-the-mill racists of average intelligence.
A+ for turning the analogy back around to suit your needs. I suspected you would do precisely that.
Unfortunately you’re still clearly entirely missing the point of my original comment.
When you lose 2028 and 2032 dont come crying to me.
Why on earth would I ever want to talk to you again?
Jimi Hendrix: castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually
MoreFPSmorebetter: the sand has to be a bit wet to hold up form so it’s ackshually castles made of sand and water; this analogy doesn’t work
There’s a good reason Trump has won an election twice, and it’s because the people he’s running against are incapable of the type of introspection you just described. Their supporters, even less so.
That may be part of the reason but it’s minor compared to the real deal. It’s funny you and the FPSbetter person are lecturing and blaming leftists when conservatives have been hate fueled and driven by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson for a long time.
Why aren’t you lecturing them? Why aren’t you asking them to “play nice?” Why are you, essentially, fucking victim blaming? All while on a high horse of “just listen to them! Stop posting memes that make fun of them! This is why they don’t vote for us” It’s fucking not homie. They hate “illegals.” They were chasing and fucking up black people until very fucking recently. A few years ago, they marched and said “Jews will not replace us.” Until Reddit banned them, they had extremely fucking racist subreddits.
Go out and try talking to them. Have you? Really, have you? Have you talked to a real fucking MAGA supporter? Not just a gen z white kid but a real fucking MAGA loving conservative?
Because I have. With plenty. And it’s fucking exhausting. Have you heard the Sartre quote about antisemites? That’s what we’re dealing with: bad faith trolls fueled by hate who have no interest in true discourse.
Are they all like this? Of course not. rAiN iS not PuRe WaTeR. Jfc. But is this the larger guiding force we’re dealing with? Fucking yes it is.
Good grief.
What’s the problem, exactly?
That fucking text wall of a reply, I don’t even know where to start.
If you’re trying to read, I’ll give you a hint: start from the top. Otherwise, you can just not engage further and move on. It’s pretty simple. No need to get worked up by a long reply you didn’t even read.
I’m the one getting worked up?
Maybe start by reading it. It’s not a “wall of text”. It’s a few short paragraphs. You just want any excuses to dismiss a different point of view. I think you’re a sea-lion troll, possibly one who’s paid in rubles ! Regardless, you’re absolutely a jerk !
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
Oh, I did read it. I’m just not entirely sure what to make of it.
lecturing and blaming leftists
It’s not leftists that they’re trying to lecture.
Nah. I think they cheated. Made it harder for people to postal vote. Intimidated people at polling places. Gerrymandered. Musk bought votes. Probably Musk cheated in other ways, since according to Drumpf he’s “really good at computers”…
Oh, I have no doubt there were some dirty tricks. But from what I saw, he also had a lot of legitimate support.
I don’t disagree.
Did you learn nothing from Hilary? Insulting people doesn’t gain you support.
If someone votes for a racist because their feelings got hurt by being insulted, then they’re a stupid racist, full stop.
🤦
It’s worked well for the republicans for quite some time. Different voter base I guess.
Do Republicans actually insult the voting public though? I know they go after other politicians all the time, but the voting public?
Having said that, I’m not in the US, so I’m not paying particularly close attention to everything.
Speaks as if they had knowledge, lecturing people ‘in the know’ as if they were also ‘in the know’: “Didn’t you learn anything from Hillary?”
Admits large scale ignorance: “I’m not paying close attention to everything.”
These are just talking points on the whiteboard in the St Petersburg data center. They keep the vodka on the table beside it.
Do Republicans actually insult the voting public though?
Yes. Full stop.
I’m not in the US, so I’m not paying particularly close attention to everything.
Then stfu about things you know nothing about. Full stop.
He’s in russia.
Can you give an example? Because I haven’t heard anything remotely like the deplorables comment from them.
Trump and conservatives: insult and mock everyone and everything on the left
Trump, conservatives, and centrists: “Play nice! You guys are so mean. You’re losing my vote.”
I’m so fucking tired of this shit
The USA wont survive till the next election at this rate so who cares?
(Also how did you even find this place)
You guys have elections?
Insulting her base was her AND Harris’ mistake. Don’t try and convince conservatives they can vote for you, they never will.
Not true, Obama and Biden.
What did Harris say to insult voters? I thought she just had zero charisma.
Seeing as you’re not American and admitted to not paying attention: maybe stop making yourself look like a fucking moron and stop talking out of your ass
He’s a ruzzian sea lion, a pretty fail one…
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
They’re definitely a bad faith agitator. Look at their comments throughout this thread. Never a meaningful attempt at discourse. Just stirring the pot.
So, insult your opponent because you don’t have an answer?
And you don’t see the irony there?
Is this the campaign trail?
