cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/62625796
Everyone seems to assume that Cain is some evil murderer that killed his brother out of jealousy and sacrificed to God in vanity rather than gladness. I think that if you read the story without filling the gaps with opinion you get a much different picture.
Let’s look at Cain’s offering to God. It doesn’t say that Cain gave out of spite or anger or anything like that. It just says that Cain gave some of what he had. It doesn’t say he gave the least of what he had or the worst of what he had. Just that he gave what he had. But God favored Abels offering and not Cain’s. And that upset Cain.
Think about that for a moment. If I gave a gift to someone I cared little about and I put little effort into their gift would I be upset that they did not favor my gift? Absolutely not. But if I put a lot of effort into their gift because I cared a lot about them I would be upset if they did not favor my gift because I failed to get them something they would appreciate. I think it’s clear that Cain cared very much about offering a sacrifice that God would appreciate. And God told him in verse 7 of chapter 4 to do better.
I think it’s important to note the difference between Cain’s offering and Abel’s offering. Cain gave the fruit of the ground cause that’s all he had. Abel gave from his flock. You know the difference between an animal and a plant? You can’t really love a plant the same way you love an animal. You wouldn’t count a plant as a member of the family. But an animal you can call a pet. How else can we show our love for God if not by giving up what we love? What did Cain have that he loved? He had a brother.
It’s interesting that the Bible doesn’t call Cain a murderer but instead a killer. You guys assume he’s a murderer but the truth is that we do not know. Because we have no idea what Cain and Abel talked about. It could be that Cain somehow convinced his brother to lay his life down willingly. Or maybe he is a murderer. We don’t know and we shouldn’t assume to know. But I don’t think God would go out of his way to avenge a hateful murderer. God promises to punish the one who murders Cain sevenfold. God clearly cares so much for Cain that he takes any transgression against him very very personally.
God’s not the kind of person who speaks without reason. What’s recorded is what God wants us to know for a reason. Cain’s punishment is to be a wanderer and a fugitive. But we don’t see that happen in the story of Cain. We see Cain settle in the land of nod and he founded a city where his people went on to be pretty successful. But you know who was a wanderer and a fugitive? Moses.
The story of Moses is interesting because of how much foreshadowing is in the story. Such as Exodus 2:14. Or when Moses came down the mountain with the tablets and out of anger broke the tablets which foreshadowed his breaking of the law which kept him from inheriting the promised land.
But what about the second time he came down the mountain and he kept the law and his face shown like the sun. If the first time foreshadowed his failure to inherit the promised land then the second time must be foreshadowing a return of Moses and Moses being successful in inheriting the promised land. The promised land being heaven. I believe Cain is Moses and Moses and his wife to be, are the two witnesses (I can talk more about why the other witness is a woman in another post if you’d like).
I also believe that Jesus and Abel are the same person. Jesus calls himself son of Man and Adam means man. So if Jesus is the son of Adam it makes sense that he would be Abel. Now you might argue that the term son of Man isn’t meant to be taken literally. To which I ask would you say the same about Isaiah 7:14 where it says the Messiah will be called Immanuel which means “God with us”? If Immanuel is the literal title of Jesus then why not “son of Man”?
I think it would make for a very poetic story. Cain goes from claiming that he isn’t his brother’s keeper to being his brother’s keeper.
Another interesting link between Jesus and Abel is the consequence of their deaths. The Jews were cursed to be wanderers and fugitives after crucifying Jesus. While the Christians inherit protection from death because of the sacrifice of Jesus. Just like how Cain was punished to be a wanderer and fugitive for killing his brother. But also protected from death because of the death of his brother. It seems that Cain played both the role of Jew and Christian.
I think the most important thing to know about Cain is that he seemed to care very much about being a father. When creating his city he could have sought honor and glory for himself by naming his city after himself. But instead he named his city after his son.
As I said earlier I don’t believe God speaks pointlessly. Genesis 4:7 God tells Cain he must rule over sin. Like it’s a purpose that belongs solely to him. Could Cain be the restrainer referenced in 2 thessalonians 2:7 who oppresses lawlessness? And it says that the lawless one will not be revealed until the restrainer is taken away. The book of revelation paints a pretty clear picture of the anti Christ not being revealed until the two witnesses are killed and resurrected.
That’s all I have to say about Cain. I should note that these insights come not from me but from God. So what do you think?
We may be turning mental illness into a spectacle here
Or (And I’m sorry for taking the Copypasta seriously) the whole thing is a metaphor on Agriculture vs Pastoralism and God’s favouring the Pastorialists. Of course the story is from the Jahwist source and the original Jahwist groups that came into contact with the Elohists to become Proto-Yahwism were hardcore pastoralists from south-east of the Canaanite heartlands, so the whole thing is basically a “I have portrayed you as the soy virgin” scene.
Uhh I didn’t really follow most of that, but Cain and Abel are both fine.
Cain has slightly better growths but his E rank in lances means he can’t use javelins (easily fixable). Ultimately, there’s no reason you can’t have two cavaliers, and neither unit is “bad” by any stretch of the imagination.
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about cain. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.
Difficult to be hard on Cain for taking rejection badly - imagine there only is and only has ever been 5 sapient creatures in existance, one of them is GOD, and he goes out of his way to point out how much he loves your brother and hates you. There’s no “we’ll get 'em next time” and certainly no “plenty of fish in the sea.”
The real ass GOD and every people who have EVER lived think you suck. Hard to underreact to that
Demands meat, hates vegetables. Is God the original
?
(According to the Bible, absolutely)
Explains a lot if old testament god was on benzos.
God’s not dead, he’s in a medically induced coma to get off klonopin.
I find shoestring logic fandom headcanon theories endearing and I’ve been waiting a long time for there to be someone who approaches the bible the same way people on tumblr drove themselves to madness over like trying to predict the ending to Sherlock or whatever. I’m really happy this guy finally exists, just doing “Maybe it was all a dream, maybe Harry was hallucinating being a wizard because he was on the brink of death, maybe Rey is Mace Windu’s daughter” but for the bible. This rules
Thank you John Steinbeck, very nice.
he only gets good pills of course he isn’t bad
Herman?
That poster had some very detailed personal dogmatism. I was actually kind of impressed with their adherence to their nonsense.
Is there any way to read the removed comments? Are they in the modlog?
When I look in there I just see the ban and I’d like to read his madness.
Doesn’t look like it; you’re definitely missing something, but it wasn’t really backed up beyond “god told me personally” so there wasn’t enough interesting theology to really sink one’s teeth into.
Hexbears: don’t believe things you hear about communist states unless it comes from the source
Also Hexbears: don’t believe stuff about deities when it comes from the source
smh my damn head
Yeah, I figured. I caught a little of it but didn’t have time to read through the entire thread so I kinda missed it.
Could it be that the people writing the story were pastoral and viewed agrarians negatively? No, God personally told me that it’s set up for a marvel movie show down
My favorite part of that whole saga was the justification of their prophecy/perspective on cain resting on the sound of the name “cain” (as westerners pronounce it today) happening to be a homophone of the english “cane”
i noticed they made a comment about Israel too. That it’s called Israel because “God is real” aka it sounds like that in English
based on some of their comments about numbers I think they might just be unwell.
The entire premise of the post (and English-descended Protestantism) is that the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament were written simultaneously in English for an English speaking audience. He says New Testament figures are the same as Old Testament figures because of reasons that only track homophonically in the English language.
On one comments he said that the bible is meant to be read in english because “english is the main language in the end times” and his evidence for that is that there are some puns in the bible that kind of work in english.
Protestantism was a mistake
God predicted the rise of the Engl*sh and their hand in the coming anthropogenic climate apocalypse
The entire premise of the post (and English-descended Protestantism) is that the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament were written simultaneously in English for an English speaking audience
at first I
but are you for real?
Based solely on my memory of reading the comments last night (OP was aggressively replying to every single comment, which I assume led to the post removal) OP kept tying the old and new testament together sort of like they are doing with characters from Genesis and Jesus in the post above but moreso. I’ve heard protestants say that they believe that the King James version of the bible is literally the word of god (to the exclusion of all other version of the Christian bible) even though the guy who commissioned the committee to come up with the draft put his name on it.
I once encountered a protestant who claimed the KJV Bible wasn’t the real Bible because it was titled after a mortal man and thus catholicism had the wrong interpretations. Real bibles, he claimed, had The Holy Bible as their title. He showed me his personal copy, which was a NIV copy. I tried pointing this out, as well as the Catholic church still does a lot of stuff in Latin and also uses multiple translations like the one he had, but he wasn’t having it.
Even funnier, the KJV is Anglican, the Catholic Church has never used it.
how else is cain pronounced? is there more emphasis on the i? just curious
is there more emphasis on the i?
Yes! In Hebrew (and so I assume its relatives and ancestors), it’s pronounced more as kayin (qaː.jiːn) than kane
Me llamo Tim Kaine
cool! i like how that sounds!
Oh yeah I saw this goober last night, claiming they talked to god or whatever. If I had a dime for every person that said god personally talks to them I’d have 20 cents so far because I saw another loon on youtube who was saying god was on her speed dial.
If I had a dime for every person that said god personally talks to them
This is like, prayer isn’t it? Lots of people say god talks back to them when they pray.
claimed to have regular chats with God. Apparently the Lord is quite concerned with petrol.
idk that person last night straight up said they talk to god.
My brother told me God had talked to him when we were younger. Now he legitimately has paranoid schizophrenia.
Any time someone tells me they talk to God in a serious way now just gives me pause
do you think theyre friends or do you think its a coincidence
probably just both watch the same bozo 53 subscriber evangelical channel on youtube
I’ll have you know I don’t believe in coincidence.
That’s all I have to say about Cain. I should note that these insights come not from me but from God. So what do you think?
I mean, who am I to argue with God I guess?