The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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  • Furbag@lemmy.worldEnglish
    511·
    13 hours ago

    Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

    Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

    • alkbch@lemmy.mlEnglish
      35·
      2 hours ago

      That’s not a good example, the US does not rely on the UK to defend itself.

      • Podunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        To that point, lets be real, even the united states doesnt really care about new mexico. Crimea in this argument has actual economic value.

        Honestly any square foot of what russia has stolen from Ukraine has so much more economic value in comparison to new mexico, its hardly a realistic comparison.

        I get what you are saying. But taos vs a warm water sea port is such an insane comparison. Its so much worse. Albuquerque? Let em have it. Santa fe? Please.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      143·
      11 hours ago

      Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were upset with Democrat’s handling of foreign affairs?

      Clown country.

      • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        17 minutes ago

        both stein and rfk got around 800+k votes. though i suspect many of them R voters on the fence.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    11 hours ago

    I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can’t let poop dictate world order.

  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    912·
    23 hours ago

    I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

    If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

  • Lit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    10 hours ago

    I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

    This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

    Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

  • CobraChicken3000@lemmy.caEnglish
    39·
    1 day ago

    Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

      • MasterOKhan@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        37 minutes ago

        I think it’s more likely that Ukraine forfeits USA support and it’s probably for the best at this point. I hope CANZUK and Europe are willing and able to step up to pick up the slack.

  • SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    20·
    24 hours ago

    I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

    That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

    • alkbch@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      2 hours ago

      If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.

  • Nunar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    23 hours ago

    Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we’re going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

  • rylock@lemm.eeEnglish
    111·
    1 day ago

    “Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”

    • Little Marco in a week