• imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    2 months ago

    they are kinda right especially about doctors (GPs). and school in its current state is totally evil. a lot of privilege being displayed in this thread by people who clearly haven’t thought critically about this stuff beyond “well I’ve never been mistreated by a doctor or a teacher”. try putting yourself in the shoes of a disabled person or trans person or a person of colour or a woman, groups who are routinely abused or neglected by these professions.

  • GoodGuyWithACat [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I think the question to ask here is: can someone in the profession use their power for liberating people.

    Cops: hell no, best you can do is oppress slightly less or arbitrarily give people a pass

    Teachers: there’s entire fields dedicated to making education more liberating.

    Doctors: difficult with the for profit medical insurance, but healthcare is a human right and I won’t say actual providers of healthcare are equivalent to pigs

    Do modern healthcare and education systems reproduce inequality at large? Any leftist with an ounce of sense will tell you yes. But what system in America doesn’t reproduce inequality? Is there a single one? Hell you can look at the litany of ML and anarchist organizations which are reproduce inequality with chauvinistic leadership and sex pests. Does that mean nobody should form a revolutionary group?

    • D61 [any]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      I wonder if maybe we should push others to interpret the “C” in ACAB to be more than just the actual occupation of Cop/Police.

      There’s the phrase, “Kill the cop in your head,” that I think is supposed to mean that we’re indoctrinated with the certain ideas that cause oppression and our initial response to things will be as “a cop.”

      I don’t think anybody who is pointing out that certain people are trying to do good by being in certain professions is wrong but being a teacher or professor or doctor or psychologist as a job doesn’t automatically “kill the cop in your head”. Horribly, it can give “the cop in your head” a huge amount of opportunity to oppress others.

  • RION [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    2 months ago

    Spitting in my doctor’s face when he tries to give me antibiotics for my infection (I am the revolution’s strongest soldier)

    • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      Fuck doctors. Medicine, as it exists now, is there to create and maintain a “clean” society, not to help people. But to cure society of undesirables. With wast powers over their patients. This is stuff anyone who is in anyway disabled or dependent on modern medicine will tell you. It’s not just the insurers and drug manufacturers, it’s all the way down to how medicine is taught as well as researched and how doctors are taught to behave around and treat patients. Like, Fuck Doctors. It is a fascist profession.

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      Like all slogans, it’s convenient, brief and simple

      That’s why it took off

      The truth is often inconvenient, lengthy, and complex

      Which is why it’s easy to lie and manipulate people

    • 7bicycles [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      I also see it for teachers tbh. Like individually or based on unions as a group it’s not like they go cop horrible but also I don’t think most school systems are all that great for children

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        Boy do I have some stories from my time at school.

        • Yelled at and written up for wearing my lunchbox as a hat when I was 5 years old
        • In middle school, one of the teachers habitually screamed at her students so loudly that you could hear her from adjacent rooms
        • Written up for touching a paper cutter. Not using it, not even moving the arm, but just resting my hand against it.
        • Humiliated in front of a class for saying that separation of Church and State meant that America wasn’t a Christian nation
        • A history teacher who had an open and explicit policy of grading football players more leniently
        • Recurrent substitute science teacher who pushed young-earth creationism and said I couldn’t be an atheist because I was a nice kid
        • A playground aide who had a habit of saying “don’t come to me unless you’re bleeding” and yelled at my brother for coming to her when he was bleeding
        • So much capitalist indoctrination I don’t even know where to begin

        I had some good teachers growing up, but they were definitely the exception. By no means does the profession belong in the “inherently illegitimate” category with CEOs and landlords, but I fully believe that under capitalism, it’s an indoctrination and enforcement arm of the bourgeois.

          • TheLastHero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            you don’t even know the half of it man, coaches and college recruiters will take football players out to restaurants, hook them up with girls, hell multiple investigations caught athletic staff buying cars for players. Especially in the southern united states, high school and college football is a state religion

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              To play devil’s advocate the south is just shitty like that and maybe having them rally around sports is the most benign option.

              Short of dramatic overhauls, of course. But that takes time and money and this is the United States where time is just used to measure how long until the Rapture happens and money is for cops and military.

              So again, distracting the confederates with football might be the least worst we get.

          • BeamBrain [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            2 months ago

            Pep rallies are mandatory events where they corral all the students into the gym to make them clap and cheer for the football team.

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            2 months ago

            My own probably got me primed to take a bunch of real conspiracies and CIA ops seriously when she taught us about the US sinking their own vessel, the USS Maine, to provide a casus belli for the Spanish American war. second-plane some tricks never get old

    • SpiderFarmer [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      2 months ago

      I was practically frozen when I read about how in many black and indigenous communities, psychiatrists are still doing the old shit like electrotherapy. And often for the same imaginary shit that ticks cops off.