Banned last night and all my comments removed for calling out a Zionist troll who FREQUENTLY posts comments trashing Palestinians and celebrating death in the name of Israel.
But I’m the one that gets banned for Checks Notes “Rule 3: No Nazis, QAnon or similar”
What a circus, mods did ZERO due diligence before banning and the Zionists comment remains!
So, one of these 4 is a certified Power Tripping Bastard
*Edit: NOT TO MENTION the frequency with which I am in the Ukraine comm in support of Ukraine and correcting false comments and shit, THE KIND OF SHIT A MOD IS FOR.
Edit 2 I will concede that maybe I posted in haste. I was seeing red for a moment there because how the fuck is a user like that still just out and about commenting.
I would just like anyone who reads this to start being more aware of WHO you are interacting with on Lemmy and be more mindful of the scum around here that have popped up more and more as reddit migrants come in. We should NOT be “tolerant” of these people, they can go fuck off to X and Meta and their other fascy platforms.
There is no “Zionist comment”. Maybe “A zionists Comment”.
Which is prpbably why you were banned. Off-topic and ad-hominem. Your comment makes you look like an asshole that stalks people, de-rails discussions and tries to to invalidate their arguments with ad-hlminem comments.
Accusing someone of being a Zionist when no Zionist issue has been brought up is often a sign of a right-wing lunatic. Without the comment having some connection to Zionism, you cannot expect the mods to have the same full list of user histories that you do. You had the full context of the user’s history - the mods likely did not. BPR.
It’s a sign of antisemitism. That’s not confined to the right-Wing, but widespread across the political spectrum.
Again, the REASON given, makes zero sense. the PARENT comment of this comment thread is in support of Ukraine and the topic at hand.
And I would argue that yes, is IS the job of a mod to actually do some homework before rendering a ban.
And I would argue that yes, is IS the job of a mod to actually do some homework before rendering a ban.
Man, a few of us are terminally online, but most mods are doing this as a part-time service during their recreation time. Not everyone has the time. You want the mods to know something, you have to tell them.
All I can say is maybe don’t be a mod of a very important community like the Ukraine Comm if you don’t have time to take it seriously ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Bruh, we’re putting in what we can. We’re unpaid volunteers on a small site of Reddit exiles.
Randomly calling people “zionists” raises red flags. Seems more of a bpr to me
Actually, that user has been banned from your instance: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/shoulderoforion@fedia.io
Yes, and he’s no innocent victim. OP has the correct assessment. But agree with everyone else that this comes across as a BPR/YDI, because it was completely out of context.
It’s more useful imo to report the comments of that user each time they say something hateful, so they can get banned on their home instance.
Have reported, gets ignored. I report all these people and it continues.
Well we instance banned him so reports do help. But yeah would be good if the fedia.io admin would do something.
Pinged them above, let’s see how it goes
Maybe go read some of his comments and you’ll get it. No we shouldn’t give an inch to people who celebrate death of innocents. and the REASON given for the ban makes zero sense.
If you call someone a Zionist for making an innocuous comment, even if they really are a Zionist, you are still in the wrong because you assume your audience already knows they are one.
Since nobody else knows the history, they just see you being an asshole.
interesting considering the upvotes then. Perhaps it encouraged SOME people to maybe dig into the comment history.
People on Lemmy need to keep their eyes open and stop taking each and every comment at face value and start keeping a working memory of who these users are and how the behave, or else we may as well just let the communities turn into new reddit.
You cannot seriously expect everyone to keep track of hundreds of anonymous handles.
I can probably name like 4 Lemmy users and I only remember those because I like them.
Who are they? Genuinely curious
My short list (most memorable, but not necessarily because I like them) is PugJesus, Yogsoth, return2ozma, and yourself. I’d add db0, but it feels like cheating since it’s the instance name as well.
Thanks!
(All 4 are me)
Me, myself, and my alt.
Use a client that allows you to make tags. Not that difficult to immediately label the shitty people like Zionists, Racists, Transphobes, etc.
Label them to yourself, sure. Go around shouting ‘ZIONIST!’ everywhere and you come off a loon.
Guess I care too much about this platform that I’m willing to call out the scum when I see it and not let it spread bringing us all down in the process
The problem is, nobody else can see the tags you apply to a user. So to everyone else, it just looks like you’re calling someone a Zionist out of the blue if they’re not already familiar with that user’s history.
Nope. I upvote that user’s comments when they seem reasonable, downvote when they aren’t. We learn from each other and rethink our own positions when called out by each other. If that user chooses not to rethink their position, that’s on them.
If that user chooses not to rethink their position, that’s on them.
An individualistic approach to cultivating community is counterproductive.
I’m neither admin nor mod. My strength and power lies in controlling me. I report particular nastiness when I see it.
Open hostility towards bad actors is useful in driving out the less-dedicated of the bad actors, in establishing norms against bad actors, and in discouraging any would-be bad actors who want to join.
Every member of a community has the power to contribute to that.
No thanks, I’m not willing to wait around for a Zionist to “change”. Again, perhaps go read his comments elsewhere.
I’m not waiting for them to change. I’m busy with my own stuff. People are telling you to modify your behavior. You are rejecting that. Do you.
I knew who the user was before I even opened this. Everytime I see that username in a news or politics sub I’m surprised they haven’t been banned. Don’t know if this was the right place to call them out, but I get your frustration.
Genuinely have no idea how he isn’t banned off of his instance, he’s said some incredibly racist shit about arabs.
edit: his own words:
what genocide? arabs attack, rape, and murder, then esconce the terrorists directly in and between civilian populations for the sole reason so that when israel responds the body count can be escalated and used as public relations. genocide. shame on you.
fedia.io’s admin has been known to be incredibly lax when it comes to banning their own users for hostility. I’ve seen them let way worse things slide before, and only quietly intervene if it gets big and bad enough to make fedia itself look bad.User’s account was suspended, looks like they’re taking things more seriously than they have in the past.
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Oh wow, awesome. Nice to know they’re taking things more seriously now.
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Lol, that’s just the tip of the iceberg too - you can check his modlog/current comment history if you want to lose your mind.
My favourite moment from them was when they were getting downvoted, so they accused the CCP of infiltrating the space.
lmao the main character syndrome is next fucking level.
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Don’t let them ever realize tho that Lemmy votes are public
Maybe someone should raise the issue to the fedia.io admin? @jerry@fedia.io ?
Thanks for tagging me. That account is banned/suspended now.
I don’t think he’ll do anything about it, I’ve seen him let a lot worse shit slide before.
Sad to hear
I just got word that he did do something about it, and has banned the person. Hopefully this becomes more common and that kind of abuse is taken more seriously on fedia.io
I’m going to go with PTB-BPR maybe?
Don’t get me wrong, fuck that guy in the picture. I’ve seen his comments - but just blatantly bringing it up when a lot of users aren’t even going to know who he is (including the mod) it’s understandable. So from their perspective it just looks like you called someone a zionist for no reason.
But from my own perspective? PTB.
Just a general complaint.
While I know that it’s not always doable, when posts here don’t contain a screen shot of the original comment or post, it makes it harder to give a damn about it.
I mean, here you are making a claim that what you said didn’t violate that rule, but we gotta jump through hoops to discover what was said.
Regarding your edit, how often you use a community isn’t relevant. You could spend hours every day in a C/, and that doesn’t excuse you from community rules. Totally not useful for forming an opinion on a mod or admin action
My own edit: you don’t have anything in your user history for weeks that’s in that community, so it makes that aspect even less relevant
Is the screenshot not showing for you? I posted a screenshot of the comment exchange.
IMHO we as users of Lemmy should absolutely be hounding the scum from the platform unless we want this to devolve into the same shit reddit has (a trend i’ve seen more and more and more over the last 6 months or so)
IMHO we as users of Lemmy should absolutely be hounding the scum from the platform unless we want this to devolve into the same shit reddit has (a trend i’ve seen more and more and more over the last 6 months or so)
Shouting ‘Zionist’ at someone when they aren’t talking about Zionism-related issues makes you come off as a lunatic. It’s more likely to get you hounded off the platform.
It’s not enough to be passionate. You have to be strategic as well.
The alternative is making a Comm specifically for calling the scum out but that would get de fed immediately.
I’m just glad this post had brought some people to actually look into this fucker and maybe be more aware of the users they are interacting with on Lemmy. Someone might post a cut doggy picture and thats great, but maybe we should all be more aware of if that same person has posted racist or otherwise intolerable shit in the past too.
There’s always a space for a /c/shitlemmysays comm, but you have to be prepared to do the work and have a super thick skin
The alternative is making a Comm specifically for calling the scum out but that would get de fed immediately.
Would it?
There are plenty of drama comms. I’m sure there’s an instance out there which doesn’t mind hosting one more.
It would just require someone with a lot of fucking patience to mod it.
I’m just glad this post had brought some people to actually look into this fucker and maybe be more aware of the users they are interacting with on Lemmy. Someone might post a cut doggy picture and thats great, but maybe we should all be more aware of if that same person has posted racist or otherwise intolerable shit in the past too.
Yeah, I make mental notes of the worst of them, but I’m also terminally online.
Ahhh, it was the app not showing the other screen shot, but what that one shows is you going after someone unprovoked.
Essentially, your own post is showing you harassing someone. So, definitely a YDI situation.
Now, I get it, you want to be active against an ideology that you believe is harmful. That part is fine.
But it absolutely is not fine to just follow people around and harass them everywhere, when they aren’t displaying that ideology.
If you have a serious concern about a user, the only acceptable way to go about handling it is to contact the admins of their instance and show them that not only is your belief fact based, but that the person is guilty of something worthy of having their account shut down.
The mods in the community you were in, based on what you did, were absolutely right to take action. If anything, for someone that engaged in both an attack without direct, in-thread cause, and as an attack of harassment, you got off light. That’s the kind of behavior that merits a permanent ban in my book. You don’t do that, it’s disruptive and destructive to any community it happens in. It’s a violation of the basic social contract of how communities work.
You should have brought the problem to the attention of the mods, if you felt that the person shouldn’t be allowed to comment there, not just go off because you tagged someone that you don’t like
Serious. With you having tagged the person, them not having said anything espousing a “zionist” stance in that thread, that is 100% harassment. Hell, if your instance admins shut down your account, it would be well within their scope, if they have anti-harassment rules in place.
I mean, I’m sitting here as someone that has said it was a mistake at the end of ww2 to not kill every nazi in every country, and if someone was following someone around just making unsupported claims that someone else was a nazi, I’d ban the fuck out of them on any community I mod. Then I’d go look and see if they’re right, and ban the Nazi if it was true.
You can’t do that shit, it isn’t acceptable.
I’m seeing one of the temp ban, and one mod names. That’s all I’m getting here, via this app. I’ll check another and see if that’s the problem
I see the screenshot
The user in the picture that OP is referring to doesn’t have the best modlog: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=14413645
what genocide? arabs attack, rape, and murder, then esconce the terrorists directly in and between civilian populations for the sole reason so that when israel responds the body count can be escalated and used as public relations. genocide. shame on you.
What a piece of shit. Glad i banned him, haven’t seen his comments in a while.
The disregard of Hamas for the deaths of Palestinian civilians is no secret.
In one message to Hamas leaders in Doha, Sinwar cited civilian losses in national-liberation conflicts in places such as Algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from France, saying, “these are necessary sacrifices.”
In an April 11 letter to Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh after three of Haniyeh’s adult sons were killed by an Israeli airstrike, Sinwar wrote that their deaths and those of other Palestinians would “infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honor.”
Sinwar isn’t the first Palestinian leader to embrace bloodshed as a means to pressure Israel. But the scale of the collateral damage in this war—civilians killed and destruction wrought—is unprecedented between Israelis and Palestinians.
There are no shelters for civilians to protect them built by Hamas, only military bunkers and tunnels (with video).
“We built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being killed in airstrikes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels,” the Qatar-based official said
“Seventy-five percent of the population of Gaza are refugees, and it is the UN’s responsibility to protect them,” Abu Marzouk added
I’m less concerned about that - denying genocide and extreme racism to arabs is completely not okay.
arabs attack, rape, and murder, then esconce the terrorists directly in and between civilian populations
This is racism, “arabs attack, rape and murder” is racist.
It’s a clear reference to October 7th 2023 Al-Aqsa Flood from the context. Plenty of attacks, rape, and murder occurred on that day.
If the current war in Gaza can be considered a genocide or not, is not a resolved matter.
How would they know he’s a neozionist from just your comment? But this seems to be a trend, also happened on reddit’s worldnews, although the support for the brigade there was quite explicit and was actively used to try to prop up the “War on Israel” to the same level as Ukraine long after Iran had been dealt with.
It’s petty shit like that, trying to eliminate people from conversation so they don’t have to deal with anyone with a history of supporting one of the good guys criticizing their genocide and ruining their “but we are also the good guys” narrative. Sort of why they get so defensive when they pull up the antisemitism label that Palestinians are also semites and that many groups that are antisemitic are also generally islamophobic outside of their hate circle with Arabs. These neozionist brigades have remained active long after Act-IL.
Yep. We live with that user. I’m not a member of that community because I already know. I do read there occasionally.
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