Ah, Julius Streicher. I barely had heard of him when I read about the Nuremberg trials. Dude was a propagandist. And they hanged him. He was literally edgelording until his last breath.
At first I was like “well, the other guys they hanged literally oversaw genocide, but this guy was a propagandist. Kinda harsh punishment for a propagandist. Wonder why?”
But now that I’ve watched the online hate pipeline run it’s course for a while and do its thing, I kinda get it.
I’m advocating harsh bans for the birdsite royalty, and if they don’t volunteer for that, maybe they should be put somewhere where they can be monitored to not propagandise. Not advocating for death penalty, it’s categorically wrong.
I’m fully against the death penalty but I fully support it in extreme cases like the Neurenberg trials because of the extreme death and suffering caused by these shit stains.
Similarly, I’m very close to supporting it for a good part of the US government when things eventually come crashing down. Cheetos alone is already responsible for a good million deaths with his covid fuckups, anyone that has that responsibility on their necks deserve no less
My own objections is that, according to the proponents of death penalty, it will discourage people from doing these crimes ever again. …Hello? Ever looked at the history books? Actually, hey, look at them, the American right wing media is going full steam ahead on destructive propaganda!
There will always be people who will take bullet for the cause. And if the cause is about spreading a message, well…
No. They will do this no matter what the punishment is. And at that point, the only thing anyone can do is to use their own system of ethics. Mine says harshest possible judgement that can actually work and stop them from doing this stuff, without making them martyrs to the cause. At some point, people have to take the moral high road.
All I can say is that killing people to fight crime has never been as fruitful as fighting the mythical hydra. You can’t fix this stuff with just slashing at stuff.
Life imprisonment I have always felt is the crueler of the punishments. A stretched out monotony that makes a day last the rest of a lifetime that warps and mushes the brain.
But also I do still get making a statement out of the death penalty for direct statements of what a society will not accept.
It’s not about cruelty. Its about keeping others safe from a very evil (Objectively) person. It’s not about statements, either. It’s about halting the spread of fascism.
If you imprison someone for life, you’re still keeping others safe though? And killing someone who puts out fake news doesn’t necessarily stop those news from spreading, worst case, you have a martyr.
I’m from Germany and the death penalty has been forbidden since the 50s, for context.
Dude, your theory is that the current rise of right wing populism in Germany is because we weren’t killing enough people? Fr, that’s your take?
Who is in charge of doing the killing then? The death penalty isn’t french revolution style, you want right leaning states and judges around the globe to have the responsibility to decide who lives or dies? Thank you very much, I’ll pass.
Who’s the people? Because an individual or a group of people killing someone is something different than a formal death penalty handed out by the state, of all things.
I argue against giving the state (any state) and the courts power to decide who lives and who dies. Because ultimately, I don’t trust the people on top to make that choice. Beside individual examples of killings that you find justified, do you have any example for a country that uses the death penalty exactly the “right” way? Where no one innocent is killed, where there are no moral grey areas, no ways to just change some laws and misuse the whole concept to “eradicate the gays” or some shit? Because I don’t and I sure as hell wouldn’t look to the US for advice.
I’m from Germany, yes. The Nazi problem wasn’t solved simply by killing the top, nor does it grow right now because we stopped killing in the 50s. There were a lot of fundamental changes to be done at the bottom, a lot of them only just starting in the late 60s, far after the death penalty. And even then, a lot of people went to prison, some 90-somethings only in recent years.
As long as the person can talk, they can spread it.
Nope, isolation is a thing and with that I don’t mean torture I mean a psychologist is going to talk to you about the sportsball results or whatever keeps you sane and that’s it. It’s why you hear practically nothing about Anders Breivik.
What we should re-introduce for these cases is an updated version of damnatio memoriae
Nope, isolation is a thing and with that I don’t mean torture I mean a psychologist is going to talk to you about the sportsball results or whatever keeps you sane and that’s it. It’s why you hear practically nothing about Anders Breivik.
And leave the possibility of the medical pros being radicalized, and converted?
No.
Kill them. a 7.62mm round is more than sufficient.
Are we literally forgetting the bloody lesson of the 1940s?
And leave the possibility of the medical pros being radicalized, and converted?
Yes.
Are we literally forgetting the bloody lesson of the 1940s?
Precisely the opposite: Sanctity of life is the exact opposite of Nazi doctrine.
It’s not always easy. There was a case in Germany where a serial rapist murderer was sentenced to indefinite psych ward lockup (insanity plea) and he did manage to not just seduce, but also marry, one of the female nurses. Court is to this day refusing visitation, the only way the two see each other is through plexiglass. Authorities, of course, learn from these kinds of cases: While they considered him, from the very start, psychopathic enough so that noone would ever be alone in a room with him, they didn’t have safeguards in place when it came to talking through plexiglass, and now there’s this awkward situation of the infatuated nurse-wife. Which means that now there’s precautions regarding these kinds of things in place.
Back to Anders: That clown doesn’t have the rizz to pull such a thing off.
I learned of him after I learned about the Rwandan genocide and so I never questioned it. The hatemonger is probably the most vital figure in creating a genocide
Ah, Julius Streicher. I barely had heard of him when I read about the Nuremberg trials. Dude was a propagandist. And they hanged him. He was literally edgelording until his last breath.
At first I was like “well, the other guys they hanged literally oversaw genocide, but this guy was a propagandist. Kinda harsh punishment for a propagandist. Wonder why?”
But now that I’ve watched the online hate pipeline run it’s course for a while and do its thing, I kinda get it.
I’m advocating harsh bans for the birdsite royalty, and if they don’t volunteer for that, maybe they should be put somewhere where they can be monitored to not propagandise. Not advocating for death penalty, it’s categorically wrong.
I’m fully against the death penalty but I fully support it in extreme cases like the Neurenberg trials because of the extreme death and suffering caused by these shit stains.
Similarly, I’m very close to supporting it for a good part of the US government when things eventually come crashing down. Cheetos alone is already responsible for a good million deaths with his covid fuckups, anyone that has that responsibility on their necks deserve no less
My own objections is that, according to the proponents of death penalty, it will discourage people from doing these crimes ever again. …Hello? Ever looked at the history books? Actually, hey, look at them, the American right wing media is going full steam ahead on destructive propaganda!
There will always be people who will take bullet for the cause. And if the cause is about spreading a message, well…
No. They will do this no matter what the punishment is. And at that point, the only thing anyone can do is to use their own system of ethics. Mine says harshest possible judgement that can actually work and stop them from doing this stuff, without making them martyrs to the cause. At some point, people have to take the moral high road.
All I can say is that killing people to fight crime has never been as fruitful as fighting the mythical hydra. You can’t fix this stuff with just slashing at stuff.
If we in the US ever get out of this mess I’d love to see that happen to all Fox News execs and on-air personalities.
It’s not. The death penalty is suitable for things like genocide… Or even being a propagandist for crimes against humanity.
For example, the world would positively be a better place, if Elon Musk was executed for his aiding of crimes against humanity.
Life imprisonment I have always felt is the crueler of the punishments. A stretched out monotony that makes a day last the rest of a lifetime that warps and mushes the brain.
But also I do still get making a statement out of the death penalty for direct statements of what a society will not accept.
It’s not about cruelty. Its about keeping others safe from a very evil (Objectively) person. It’s not about statements, either. It’s about halting the spread of fascism.
If you imprison someone for life, you’re still keeping others safe though? And killing someone who puts out fake news doesn’t necessarily stop those news from spreading, worst case, you have a martyr.
I’m from Germany and the death penalty has been forbidden since the 50s, for context.
No, containment doesn’t work to stop fascism. As long as the person can talk, they can spread it.
Yes, it does work. We already found deplatforming fascist works, we just stopped doing it. That would just be “deplatforming them from earth”.
As far as martyrs go? Well, that makes it easier to identify the next round of fascists that need to be eliminated.
We learned that lesson in the 1940’s.
And that’s likely one reason why the AfD is gaining power there.
Dude, your theory is that the current rise of right wing populism in Germany is because we weren’t killing enough people? Fr, that’s your take?
Who is in charge of doing the killing then? The death penalty isn’t french revolution style, you want right leaning states and judges around the globe to have the responsibility to decide who lives or dies? Thank you very much, I’ll pass.
Yes. The more fascist you allow to live, the worst the problem becomes. Come on, you’re from Germany… You should literally know this.
We the people.
Why can’t it be? It was like that with Sadaam…
Who’s the people? Because an individual or a group of people killing someone is something different than a formal death penalty handed out by the state, of all things.
I argue against giving the state (any state) and the courts power to decide who lives and who dies. Because ultimately, I don’t trust the people on top to make that choice. Beside individual examples of killings that you find justified, do you have any example for a country that uses the death penalty exactly the “right” way? Where no one innocent is killed, where there are no moral grey areas, no ways to just change some laws and misuse the whole concept to “eradicate the gays” or some shit? Because I don’t and I sure as hell wouldn’t look to the US for advice.
I’m from Germany, yes. The Nazi problem wasn’t solved simply by killing the top, nor does it grow right now because we stopped killing in the 50s. There were a lot of fundamental changes to be done at the bottom, a lot of them only just starting in the late 60s, far after the death penalty. And even then, a lot of people went to prison, some 90-somethings only in recent years.
Nope, isolation is a thing and with that I don’t mean torture I mean a psychologist is going to talk to you about the sportsball results or whatever keeps you sane and that’s it. It’s why you hear practically nothing about Anders Breivik.
What we should re-introduce for these cases is an updated version of damnatio memoriae
And leave the possibility of the medical pros being radicalized, and converted?
No.
Kill them. a 7.62mm round is more than sufficient.
Are we literally forgetting the bloody lesson of the 1940s?
Yes.
Precisely the opposite: Sanctity of life is the exact opposite of Nazi doctrine.
It’s not always easy. There was a case in Germany where a serial rapist murderer was sentenced to indefinite psych ward lockup (insanity plea) and he did manage to not just seduce, but also marry, one of the female nurses. Court is to this day refusing visitation, the only way the two see each other is through plexiglass. Authorities, of course, learn from these kinds of cases: While they considered him, from the very start, psychopathic enough so that noone would ever be alone in a room with him, they didn’t have safeguards in place when it came to talking through plexiglass, and now there’s this awkward situation of the infatuated nurse-wife. Which means that now there’s precautions regarding these kinds of things in place.
Back to Anders: That clown doesn’t have the rizz to pull such a thing off.
Perhaps he could be deplatformed to Mars, I heard he wants to go there anyway.
I learned of him after I learned about the Rwandan genocide and so I never questioned it. The hatemonger is probably the most vital figure in creating a genocide