Well that backfired on Ethan

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    It’s when I see people here say shit like “he’s a fed” and thinking he may be “making this up” that I’m reminded a lot of people here need to touch grass and do a bit of a reality check lmao.

    Hasan is good. This is not surprising. He’s doing well to talk about it and make noise about it.

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        Offshoot of the Western leftist mantra of nothing ever being holy enough.

        Hasan does good shit within the confines of the parameters he can exist within, and is a net positive for us, even if he doesn’t share our views one-to-one.

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          yeah someone who watches hasan and learns about the world and takes what he says seriously is a lot more likely to then be receptive to going further, learning more and coming to understand hasan’s limitations and bad/mid takes. But on the whole he’s a positive, even if he’s got a ton of fans who are oblivious or don’t fully take his points/logic to heart, let alone go further, they are at least not instinctively anticommunist and generally vibe with us.

          He makes calls and has takes that i don’t agree with, often in the interest of “optics”, but just covering the shit that he does is a huge boost to the level of discourse happening in a lot of corners of the internet. Just getting people talking about ansarallah and their blockade in a positive light and with context is a huge boost against the “they’re just terrorists attacking civilian shipping vessels” people

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          Incorrect, the reason I don’t like him is because of this rod-polishing parasocial relationship people have with him for scraping the literal bare minimum, which isn’t unique to him but part of a larger critique of the alienation that is inherent to streamer media.

          I mean for Christ’s sake, this is the exact same argument as ‘You just criticize capitalism and want communism because you are jealous of other’s success’ level of breadtube argument slop.

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            You don’t like him because people e-fellate him? That can’t be on him. Sure, I understand if you want someone as popular and ‘on our side’ to be deeper, more intellectual, more politically engaged, but I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good. In a world of Ethans and Musk fanboys, Hasan is a breath of fresh air, and that is enough for me.

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              I never said it was ‘on him’. I’m not even mad that he is surface level. Don’t put words in my mouth, please.

              I said that it was part of a larger critique. Streaming culture is bad for us, politically, as leftists. It is inherently bad because it creates a simulacra of community, without even a hint of theoretical will to power. It is the ultimate liberal simulation of politics without actually being politics. You feel ‘politically engaged’ without actually engaging with the polity. How can you? The community only exists if you are actively online supporting it, which means you are actively disengaged from the polity. You are engaging with a petite bourgeois capitalist influencer on a capitalist rentier platform. At least recognize it.

              As such, even the best part of it, which Hasan absolutely is, is still bad. Therefore, I don’t like him, because I don’t have to like him.

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                You are engaging with a petite bourgeois capitalist influencer on a capitalist rentier platform. At least recognize it.

                Thank you, yeah this is one of the main points I’m saying and I don’t think it’s holier-than-thou or edgelord to point that out.

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          Maybe this is because I’m not a Hasan watcher but all this “he’s doing more than any of you critics and complainers” and “you’re just mad because he’s better looking / richer etc” reminds me of the kind of glazing that goes on in any cult of personality… not that Hasan’s politics are anywhere near as bad as Musk’s obviously, but it does remind me of the kind of glazing that Elon stans do.

          There’s an element of classism too, like you can’t critique your betters because you weren’t born with the family resources and connections that you get from being born moderately wealthy. Like excuse me if I’m not well positioned enough to talk to a million people online every day, but I think “progressive” streamers should not be glossing over AOC and Bernie’s social fascism, (EDIT) for example.

          And yes I am aware that Hasan is always raising money for based causes and that’s awesome, he should keep doing that. I’ll keep criticizing his liberal and reactionary tendencies though. This “you only criticize Hasan because you think you’re too cool for school and nothing ever happens, you only criticize because you’re an edgelord” BS is gross and childish, tbh.

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            Also I did watch his ~45 minute video about the detainment and it is disturbing what he went through, and I think the fact that he is getting this kind of attention from state security forces is an indication that he’s on the right side of history, so that’s granted, just so it’s clear I’m not biased. But I was made to listen to a rant from Hasan against veganism and it was such an ass take I couldn’t listen to the whole thing. If you’re a Hasan fan that’s fine, I enjoy some much worse media, just real slop on the regular so I’m not being edgy or holier than thou. But if you’re a Hasan fan then I think you should be able to recognize where he sucks without (EDIT) immediately jumping to his defense, at least among more radically minded people.

            (Edit: more radically minded than the general population, I mean.)

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      Hasan is criticized for advocating for leading baby leftists back into the fold of the Democratic Party. And its not just “hexbear” who says this. We already had a similar situation where an obvious British agent was victimized due the genocidal policies of the empire.

      Hopefully hasan can grow from that injustice, but that suddenly doesn’t make him lenin 2.0.

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        I don’t think he’s lenin at all. I think he does a good job agitating and educating, that’s it. That’s much more than most people can claim to do. I disagree that he leads leftists back into the democratic party, then again i’m not american, but that sounds nonsensical to me.

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          I like him okay. I just don’t really find his stream that interesting. Plenty fan of his message, enjoy that he watches One Piece, sometimes he hangs out with Valkyrae’s group. But I’m there to watch video games personally. I don’t feel any extra love for the Dems because I follow him

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            same, i sometimes put on his stream if there’s something interesting going on but mostly that type of content and the constant derailment by chat annoys me. His message is good and i’m glad he gets people on the right track.

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      They literally pulled me aside at TSA to inspect the blunt stakes in my tent bag that I was taking as carry on because it was way smaller than my big duffel bag. Funnily enough they only did this on my way BACK from going to Pine Ridge to meet with a bunch of former AIM elders. three-heads-thinking

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        What? That’s his name, i don’t know what else to call him, mister piker? I barely watch a part of a stream once in a blue moon, sheesh.

        Maybe this is being said in a joking way but i’m gonna be real I really don’t appreciate this kind of comment, weird thing to say and a weird way to say it, not the vibes i’m used to on hexbear.

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    okay but he was obviously only taken aside because he kept triggering the metal detector with all his goofy ass thumb rings and pukashells and other assorted accessory bullshit.

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      Feels like an Eric Andre bit. Going though TSA looking as Arab as you can and then having just a shitload if really white people stuff under a turban and robe. Setting of the metal detector cause of your roller blade wheels and tattoo equipment while looking super brown

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        She doesn’t think. She is a chameleon for any of the lib shit that comes along. She went to the women’s march in DC. She has Notorious RBG “I dissent” stickers on her water bottle. She loves the daily slams in the news.

        She moves on so fast that if I brought up something she talked about last week, she would look at me like a dog noticing an ant on the floor

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    Man with middle eastern/turkish origins detained in America over his politics. And they are left leaning. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner tbh. If you wanna be a turkish man in the spotlight you need to sniff American war criminal butt like that enes freedom nerd.

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        No problem. In the future copy and open the link in a browser (I use Firefox on Android), then copy that link and delete everything after the question mark. You doxxed your tiktok account to anyone who opened the original tracking link fyi

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          Do you happen to know if any privacy frontends work for tiktok like invidious does for youtube? I use LibRedirect for everything I can, but it only displays proxitok, which hasn’t worked for well over a year, and offtiktok, which doesn’t seem to have any public instances listed. So I’m guessing there just is no frontend landscape for tiktok like there is for youtube, reddit, etc.?

          Sorry to ask you out of the blue, but it sounds like you might be well versed in this kind of thing.

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              I know, I use it for all kinds of websites. For tiktok specifically, the frontends it redirects tiktok urls to are proxitok and offtiktok, and I mentioned the issues with those.

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          @CyborgMarx@hexbear.net you can disable that “feature” somewhere in the settings under Privacy > Suggest your account to others > People who open or send links to you, but the tracking links do a lot more than just reveal the account

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          Thanks for the heads up, it was a burner account anyway that’s been linked to a dozen times already, but it’s good I can now disable the tracker

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    Wait. Hold on. Do we know this actually happened? Were there other witnesses? He is, first and foremost, a celebrity and entertainer. He is a man in show business. And a left wing commentator being detained? That’s an obvious ratings booster. How do we know this isn’t just the stunt of an entertainer?

    Just doing due diligence. How do we know this actually happened?

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        Implausible, no. But I’m also inherently skeptical of any unverified event that someone has the ability and strong financial incentive to invent from whole cloth. I don’t care how perfect you think his politics are. Never trust anyone who tells you everything you want to hear.

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          as someone with a middle eastern name, i promise you, it’s really not unbelievable at all that this happened, in addition to him being who he is.

          i would honestly say you’re naive to think this is so unlikely to happen that you assume its fake

          whats more likely? hasan, who doesnt need more viewers or money lying about something to get viewers and money?

          or america being fascist and racist the way it has been for forever?

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            Now that’s just conspiratorial. As much as Hasan has some lib tendencies he’s been shitting on Zionist for the whole time those disgusting freaks carried out and carry out their genocide. That’s the one line that a us government employee of any type cannot cross.

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                I mean I’m old enough to find most content creators kinda pointless. I used to watch a lot of anime. Not so much now but I still like anime. I remember watching the biggest anime podcast called trash taste and it was just a fucking blitz of parasocial nonsense. I don’t get how people watch that shit. Some content is better tho. Like second thought is great for newish leftists and progressives. But the good stuff is rare

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      He did call other people to let them know what was happening while he was being lead away, so unless you think they’re all in on the conspiracy. He’s already rich and extremely well known. He just interviewed Jean-Luc Mélenchon of the French parliament. There’s no incentive.

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        How would they know he’s not just calling them and lying to them? He could have easily called or messaged people and said he was being lead away.

        Celebrities of his stature have performed stunts before. The incentive would be the very ratings explosion that he’s getting now. A ratings explosions means a revenue explosion. More ad revenue. More interview opportunities. More sponsors and donations. He’s making money off of this. And I would not try to argue that he’s already so well-off he’s above wanting more money. When has that ever actually worked?

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          it’s just way way more likely that he’s not lying. he doesn’t have a history of bullshit stuntmaking, the government is doing this, and it’s just not a big enough boost to his attention that it would be enticing enough to lie. Looking at this tikok, it has 1.9 million views, and his channel has 44.2 million likes and TikTok almost always stays very close to 10 views per Like, meaning he has half a billion views on just his tikok. Making a huge, risky demonstrable lie to get half a percent across this and a couple other platforms just doesn’t make sense. Just flying out of the country and missing 2 days of streaming probably lost more money than this story brought

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          They detain journalists who talk about eroding freedoms. They detain activists that protest growing surveillance.

          It’s their way of reminding people they are being watched and that they should back off if they don’t want trouble.

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          What would constitute proof? We can’t rely on Hasan’s word. We can’t rely on the word of the people around him because he may be deceiving them. What would prove it to you? He couldn’t film it. He wasn’t arrested so there’s no public log. We can’t get the video footage from the airport. He wasn’t cited, so no paper trail there.

          It’s okay to be skeptical but you have to think further than just asking questions. You want proof but how do you get it? How do you validate the proof? If it’s too difficult to get the evidence you need, then what do you do about it?

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            They just need to convince the feds to admit it since due to the logic presented anyone who is a witness could just be paid off by Hasan so the only trustworthy witnesses would be the feds themself.

            Edit: Just saw an article on it below, saying they at least admitted to an inspection but again, that doesn’t verify the majority of his claims so they would be looking for the feds to admit to political intimidation to prove it.

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      He did show the pamphlet DHS provided mentioning dhs.gov/dhs-trip on the stream.

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      DHS themselves admitted there was an “inspection” but not much beyond that.

      When asked for comment about Piker, a Department of Homeland Security official called his account “nothing but lying for likes.”

      “Claims that his political beliefs triggered the inspection are baseless,” Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. “Our officers are following the law, not agendas. Upon entering the country, this individual was referred for further inspection — a routine, lawful process that occurs daily, and can apply for any traveler. Once his inspection was complete, he was promptly released.”

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hasan-piker-twitch-streamer-questioned-us-customs-rcna206406

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      Nah he wouldn’t lie about this and does not need the boost. They would absolutely do this, and if he made it up it’s actually very likely that some groyper in the administration would reveal that it never happened

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        Right, hypothetically, could someone lie brazenly to the public about being questioned by TSA? Wouldn’t there be a significant risk of being revealed to be a liar? And for what?

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      I find it believable because:

      1. Other journalists have already been arrested for their views on Palestine like Richard Medhurst and Ali Abunimah. Abunimah got pretty close to being disappeared into a black site in Switzerland.

      2. Some Muslim dude named Hasan being “randomly” selected for further inspection by TSA is a sadly mundane event that isn’t even news.

      3. Hasan has appeared in various mainstream Zionist publications like Haaretz in a very “will no one rid me of this turbulent priest” way. I personally think Hasan needs to worry about security and have an escape plan to leave the US.

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      If that’s the way you think, I’ll just say have fun living your miserable life. Boogeyman around every corner, don’t believe your eyes and ears, no real actions are ever taken, every word spoken to you criticized, everything a lie.

      lol

      As they say “nothing ever happens”.