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  • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.

    Then they turn around and say “Wow you’re so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again.”

    Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?

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        If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying “Aren’t we glad he didn’t have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!”

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      Remember when they got mad after Trump said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters”? They said it was cult-like behavior by his followers.

      But when Biden bombs children, or backs a genocide, it’s somehow not cult-like behavior to keep supporting him.

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      Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.

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        And then when you call them out, you’re calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn’t fed propaganda for a doupoly.

        Every time someone says “Blue MAGA isn’t a thing” I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.

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    I think a lot of people are neglecting to think of Biden’s lifetime record in public office. The United States is the nation on Earth with the greatest proportion of its own citizens imprisoned and we have Biden’s 1994 crime bill in large part to thank for that. Unfortunately it wasn’t terribly shocking when he went on to be more supportive of the Palestinian genocide than any other president in US history other than Trump.

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      They’re not neglecting it, they’re purposefully ignoring it. People will tag (correctly, mind you) Reagan, Nixon, and Dubya as the issue of modern America, but if you bring up the voting/writing record of the most recent Blue Guy, somehow its not their fault, people are allowed to change, people can learn better, etc. etc.

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    You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of “not doing a genocide” don’t know anything about getting elected and getting things done

    *loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*

    DAMN YOU PUTIN!

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      No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.

      What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.

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        What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election

        Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.

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          A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.

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              It’s that type of flawless, disengaging thought that brought you the Trump administration. Twice. Maybe try something different to get the 90M eligible voters to show up?

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                Shocking idea but I do not give a shit about the Democrats, maybe they should be trying to appeal to voters rather than the other way around? Oh wait, they cant because as the saying goes your vote doesn’t matter unless you buy it in advance.

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                  Nor do I. I did give a shit about preventing the election of a fascist dictator. Apparently that was not as important to you.

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        I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.

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          Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?

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            According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.

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        Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.

        Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.

        If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.

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          Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.

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            If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.

            Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.

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                  Are you for real?

                  Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”

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        Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris’ support of genocide.

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    Which one though? Is it Xi Jinping? Putin? Charles Taylor? Bush? Blair? Netanyahu? Ratko Mladic? Jean Kambanda? Samphan? Assad (not that old I suppose)?

    There are so many of them

    ETA: I see the downvotes. I truly have no fucking clue who you are talking about. Duterte? Lukashenko?

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    its so funny seeing all the libs seething that many people think biden got what he had coming if not got off extremely easily considering the evil shit he’s done. they dont see the evil tho. they just see that he’s a democrat so surely that must mean he’s good.

    when brandon dies the universe will be righting a wrong. fuck him. no sympathy or empathy for him or his fucked up family who have neither for any of us or our families or especially those in palestine or otherwise exploited oppressed nations

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      I was kind of surprised they are batting this hard for Genocide Joe when he already lost them the election. You’d think that after Biden screwed their winning chances they would have slightly more disdain for him.

      Not because of the genocide of course, they don’t care about that because it doesn’t affect them.

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    Liberals: but what if we compromised, how about only some genocide? What if Israel only tortured half as many babies? What if Israel only illegally annexed half of the West Bank instead of their current plan to annex the entire thing? What if people were able to afford 50% of rent and 50% of all bills? What if we only cut Medicare and Medicaid by 50%?

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      Don’t be silly, liberals aren’t offering to spare half the Palestinians, there offering “killing all of them, but with a troubled expression on our face.”

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    Got a comment removed yesterday for ‘hate speech’.
    Lemmy .world is just Blue MAGA complaining about Reddit being Red MAGA.

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      I saw that; it was particularly ghoulish because it was in a comment section full of actual, overt hate speech. But that hate speech was directed at America’s enemies, so guess who’s catching the ban.

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    I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.

    If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.

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    Nooooo guys!!! Biden genocide was better than Trump genocide! 😡😡 You don’t understand, he said he was trying not bomb children!!! 😢

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      I know I’ll get downvoted for this, and to be clear, all of our governments supporting this genocide are absolute bullshit and capitalism is bullshit.

      However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country and take away the rights of people in your own country to such an extent that they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere because they’re too worried trying to find healthcare and not get deported, killed, or permanently detained.

      If you were going to not vote in order to take down the system, then show up and take down the god damn fucking system.

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          The valid take of “yes the people I support are committing the worst acts imaginable to mankind, but I stand to personally benefit, so it’s actually good to support them.”

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            You made me think I supported someone who was against Palestine, he literally does not say that, you only infer that just because he isn’t fully anti-democrat and is using the ‘lesser evil’ arguement

            Oh the thinks Palestine/Hamas will destroy Israel nevermind

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              Where the fuck did I say Palestine would destroy Israel?

              I am 100% pro-Palestine, I just genuinely do not understand how voting someone in who has exponentially sped up the genocide and sped up the suffering of brown, queer people and women, in his own country is somehow the more moral choice in all of this. It doesn’t make any fucking sense to me.

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        However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country

        When a normal, moral person discover that a country is hellbent on genocide, they would think that destroying that country is a good thing.

        take away the rights of people in your own country

        The genocide in the colonies must continue for the benefit of the people in the capital.

        they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere

        So you were worrying before? Certainly didn’t accomplish anything.

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      I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.

      Neither should happen but since i don’t get that choice, I choose the option that saves millions of lives.

      Not to mention the US is now party to the Ukraine genocide too.

      not to mention the real threat to foreign born citizens and LGBTQ people in the United States itself.

      So yes Biden is better even if we are dealing with shades of black

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        This is also false. Biden drastically upped the military aid to Israel after Trump left office.

        The US democrats are a vicious, genocidal party.

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            Its also one we have a better chance to influence.

            Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude

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            It’s okay, we got it. You supported genocide and now you are trying to justify it so you can sleep at night.

            The only true unserious people here are those who defend a genocidal monster even when the monster literally confessed to be one.

            Have a shower.

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            You had a zero percent chance of influencing the Democrats, as evidenced by over a year of complete failure to do so. So no, you didn’t have a better chance to influence them

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              What serious organization for progressives is there?

              If you don’t have an answer for this you are just trolling and not serious about any matter.

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                You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.

                But that makes sense, given that you admitted to being a troll.

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                  You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.

                  I did answer it and you are making fun of my answer right there. Fair enough, but I have asked you what your ideas are, and all you can say is to twiddle your thumbs.

                  Voting dem and making it more progressive is an actionable item. What is your alternative that is so much better?

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        You did not have to preface it with pretending to save anyone. You simply care only about yourself and you do not care about anyone else.

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        Okay, but then if we point our finger at your face and call you a genocide supporter, you shut up and take it right?! Right?

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          no i wouldn’t because i don’t support it and your inability to see shades of gray will paint darker and darker paths

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            When people start talking about “shades of gray” with regards to genocide, they 100% support genocide

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              and your abstinence vote 200% supports genocide, you not only gave your vote away to trump, but you actively sabotaged the dems chances

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                You have no idea how I voted, or if I live in a swing state, or if I’m even eligible to vote, so shut your presumptuous mouth. More to the point, only a BlueMaga lunatic could try to claim that not voting for genocide supports genocide twice as much as voting for genocide. Like, you don’t actually believe in anything, not even the meaning of words; you’ll just say whatever you can to confuse and antagonize.

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        Except now Trump is starting to play hardball with Netanyahu, and is distinctly unhappy with the the U.S. taking so much flak while being treated as a money fountain.

        There is a much more real world where Trump gets sick of Bibi and pulls his support than Harris pulling support from Israel. A fully isolationist U.S. is better for Palestine.

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      The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?

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        I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;

        but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.

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          And just to be clear, we’re not attacking them for “dithering” on the Palestine genocide (not “conflict”, genocide); we’re attacking them for actively and consistently supporting the genocide. The idea that they’re just “dithering” is a lie liberals tell themselves so they can keep supporting genocidal fascists without feeling bad about themselves.

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              You know somebody has completely run out of arguments when they start doing the “So according to you , [something that in no way resembles anything say said]” thing.

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                  OK. I can’t stop you from ignoring what I said and making up your own unrelated statement in your imagination.

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      Yeah Biden absolutely could’ve withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much

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        I think it’s indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)