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I consider him more of an apple head.
Pretty sure I stole this one from here on Lemmy.
Better than the one I stole from Lemmy
You mean Luke McGarry?
Hey now, my nose is always stuffy. That has nothing to do with my great stupidity.
Shit — This week — I have a relative that had to wait 3 days in the ER to be transferred to a bigger hospital. The big hospital didn’t have a bed.
The hospital system in America has been overwhelmed for over a month and a half straight now.
Anymore stress beyond the current quademic (and whatever the unknown illness is — have we figured that out yet?) and we will have to bring back keeping people outside and firing up the refrigerator trucks again.
these damn jackals
Hospitals should be able to refuse patients who get diseases that are preventable with vaccines. Problem solved.
And what about my wife? She’s allergic to the measles vaccination.
That’s a contrarian question, of course there would be loopholes for that.
Prove it
And that right there is why your argument is complete bullshit.
How does she know?
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, exactly. You’re making it up.
I assume it would be documented and considered an exception
She lost the documentation years ago. We’re almost 40.
You can either get the documentation reprinted, or get tested, no?
Then she is also allergic to measles, because all it is is weakened measles itself.
No. For multiple reasons:
- Vaccines are not 100% effective. They reduce the likelihood of infection if you are exposed. The whole point of trying to get everyone vaccinated is to reduce the infection rate so that there’s less likely to be an outbreak. With a vaccinated population, the virus can’t spread fast enough to maintain a pool of infected people to keep spreading it. But that doesn’t mean nobody gets sick.
- Vaccines are not as effective on some people. There’s a range of effectiveness.
- Not everyone can get vaccinated. People with certain allergies or compromised immune systems in particular.
- Some parts of the population have higher risk factors than others and when they get sick it can be much more serious. Usually the very old and the very young. And again, people with compromised immune systems, or other conditions that complicate the illness.
- Kids whose parents refuse to get them vaccinated are put at elevated risk through no fault of their own.
I could probably keep going, but hopefully you get the idea why that’s just not a viable approach.
Everybody who gets vaccinated is documented as having gotten vaccinated, no?
So why can’t hospitals check the record and confirm that patients have been vaccinated? If they have, then everything’s fine. If they couldn’t get vaccinated for legitimate reasons, that’d be documented too.
The point is to ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible, not to prove a point about the efficacy of vaccines.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone. Then again I live in a sane country with free healthcare.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone.
This is exactly the problem. Once you start talking about who does and does not deserve healthcare, you’ve gone to a place I refuse to follow. There is far too much nuance to start drawing lines in the sand.
“The measles gave you lifetime protection against measles infection,” Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told Sean Hannity on Fox News.
Wouldn’t it be great if there was something else that gave you protection against measles infection, without you actually having to have measles? If only …
Also, factually incorrect. Measles is known to cause immune amnesia, wiping out immunities gained from other infections (and measles).
We did that, we gave everyone a very mild, usually symptomless, case of the measles. We called it vaccination.
The sacrifice: Republican voters are declining
Democratic voters remain unchanged
Red State goes to Purple State
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17,000 people died from COVID in 2020, and Biden won the state by about 12,000 votes.
the covid deaths were too spread out, but it was mostly people staying home and mail-in voting, something the gop now destroying. also they had time to research who trump really is. last election most people who did voted couldnt care less, they were to distracted by other things, or showed extreme apathy towards voting.
Measles also resets your immune system for every other thing your body already learned to deal with. No, it would not be fucking better.
Conspiracy theorists for the last few decades: “The government is trying to murder us!”
The actual government in 2025: “Yes, we would like it if a grand majority of you were to die”
Conspiracy theorists: crickets
Conspiracy theorists: crickets
Agreed, FACTUAL EVIDENCE of a conspiracy theory is collected by reputable Johns Hopkins University and George Washington University and crickets. People flock to conspiracies with no evidence, but once one appears with authentic validation… nothing.
Troll accounts that had attempted to influence the US election had also been tweeting about vaccines, a study says. Many posted both pro- and anti-vaccination messages to create “false equivalency”, the study found. It examined thousands of tweets sent between 2014 and 2017. Vaccination was being used by trolls and sophisticated bots as a “wedge issue”, said Mark Dredze from Johns Hopkins University. “A significant portion of the online discourse about vaccines may be generated by malicious actors with a range of hidden agendas,” said David Broniatowski from George Washington University. The researchers reviewed more than 250 tweets about vaccination from accounts linked to the St Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA). In February the agency was named in a US indictment over alleged election meddling.
It’s because people love feeling like they’re privvy to a secret. The second it’s validated and becomes public knowledge, it’s no longer “privileged” knowledge and no longer makes them feel special for “knowing” a “secret truth”
The second it’s validated and becomes public knowledge, it’s no longer “privileged” knowledge and no longer makes them feel special for “knowing” a “secret truth”
Ahh, the (2 thousand year old) Bible verse Romans 11:33 theory of James Joyce’s work ;)
Yes, covid was very potent tool enrolling those people to disinformation channels and groups.
Cause now it’s no longer a conspiracy, they’re just coming right out and saying a bunch of people dying is fine.
Well, to be fair, it is still a conspiracy. It becomes a known criminal conspiracy. Criminal Conspiracy is still a crime. :)
but you’re right, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.
(Unfortunately for all Americans, social murder by policy isn’t usually a crimey crime. They might be more careful about killing us if they paid the cost personally)
Haha fair!
Dumb son of a bitch doesn’t even understand that a vaccine is “giving someone the disease” without killing them. God damn are we devolving that fast?
Brain worms: not even once.
He’s a drug addict. While I’m all for people overcoming addiction, it should disqualify them from this very specific job.
We ever evolved? It’s just one case where you see it.
Remember the conspiracy theorists who though “the government” was using Covid-19 to cull the population? I wonder what they’re up to right now.
Probably hosting measles parties.
At this point I certainly hope they just fucking die. I can’t handle this shit anymore.
Probably ranting about how the shadow government is out to get Trump and Elon after they started saving America
shadow govt under the control of the gop.
These were the same ding-a-lings that couldn’t seem to make up their mind whether it was “just like the flu” (people were only dying “with” Covid, not from it) and any concern about it was just drummed up by “the media” and Fauci to ruin little d’s chances of re-election and kill all of our freedoms to go vaxless and maskless to super-spreader events, OR an intentional thing from Fauci/Soros/Gates working with the Chinese to kill everyone.
I mean, even in their own bullshit fictional universe, things don’t fit together. I have no idea how so many of these people manage to conduct the rest of their lives, but I cannot imagine living in those heads of theirs.
Measles is capable of resetting the immune system’s memory of other vaccines. This sack of shit is so incredibly dangerous.
It’s also capable of sterilizing victims, which would lead to a population decline if everybody got it.
Rare measles win? The earth could use a little vacation from humans.
actually infertility, many of the viruses can do that, chickenpox, mumps, rubella all can cause orchitis in men, adult infections are much more dangerous.
Honestly population decline is our best hope for preventing global warming. Can’t consume too much if there’s no one to consume.
“A bunch of kids should die in pain so many more may live in fear.”
– RFKjrhe knows, he got 86 children killed from measles in SAMOA.
I’m still optimistic the lifers at HHS who stood firm and didn’t resign are just slowly teaching Lil Bobby what a vaccine is:
While RFK Jr. recently shifted his stance to concede that vaccinations are actually pretty useful, he has still stopped short of urging skeptics to go and get it. And in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity that aired Tuesday night, he appeared to still favor natural immunity through exposure to the virus.
"It used to be, when I were a kid, that everybody got measles. And the measles gave you lifetime protection against measles infection,” he said, then taking a swipe at the vaccine. “The vaccine doesn’t do that. The vaccine is effective for some people for life, but for many people it wanes.”
Like, he is damn close to understanding a measles vaccine is measles, just a hindered version that won’t be able to reproduce and cause harm. And real close to understanding the need for booster shots.
He’s still not there, and it seems to be taking weeks for what can be covered in depth in 15 minutes.
But eventually I hope they’ll win him over.
This is how I feel RFK jr has always operated. He does/proposes/thinks progressive things right up until it really goes off the rails. Like, he argued there are medical biases against Black Americans (very much true and well researched), but then segued into the COVID-19 vaccines being medical experiments on minorities and tried to discourage vaccination that way. He usually starts with a good cause but inevitably drags it into conspiracy territory. Also someone is sanewashing his Wikipedia article because there’s a lot of his bullshit missing from a few months ago.
I’m really confused about his statement.
I mean, let’s assume he’s right, and let’s assume that a vaccine only protects you for, say, 20 years. Just measles induced encephalitis alone has a lethality of 0.1%. How many cases of anything more than a mild fever did any vaccine ever cause? He’s not even claiming it’s causing autism or death or transformation into Space Godzilla. So why not just vaccinate? It’s stupid even in his own world.
Sadly, scientists at HHS are overwhelmed by DOGE to organize any effective push back to rfk jr.
That is not true.
It’s not all sunshine and rainbows anywhere in the fed right now, but there’s always ways to fight and this is the biggest
No RFK, things would be much better if YOU got measles
With you gone, people could vaccinate again and then they wouldn’t get sick, you worm for brains
he has worms which wont be affected by measles.
Luckily most people have sane parents so they can’t get measles
Uhhhhhh doesn’t measles reset your immune system or something like that?
it suppreses the immune system, apparently the virus can infect dendritic cells, which is the part where it activates T cells, which attacks cells infected with viruses.
Oh I swear I read it “rewrites” it. So like you can end up allergic to things you never were allergic to and unallergic to things you were allergic to. I’ll have to try to find where I saw that
i looked up the research paper that said that.
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Not supporting this dude, but I watched the whole video and he never once said it would be better if everyone got measles. Maybe I missed it; if so, please correct me. He mentioned a waning effect with the vaccine vs full-blown infection, which I highly doubt is accurate (I’ll research it later), but that’s a massive stretch to get to the headline. He even recommended vaccines and said they will be available for free to anyone that needs them. I’ve gotten a little lazy in fact checking left leaning stuff because I always felt it was a little more trustworthy. I’m just starting to wonder how much I’ve been blindly accepting because it conforms to my biases.
Thanks for watching it and writing this. Good to know it’s not as stupid as it’s made out to be.
I’ve actually got fed up with left-leaning outrage news because any time I check it it’s twisted out of shape or plain wrong. I’m sure there’s plenty the same in right-leaning-outrage-news, I just don’t see it in the first place!
I wish people who want a world of truth and science wouldn’t lie to get support.
The written article also doesn’t say it would be better if everyone got measles. I listened to the interview long enough to see the article is quoting him accurately and fairly. At least for that.
Then he spent probably too much time talking about vitamin A, and I didn’t listen to the rest
It’s really just a lying outrage headline - from the written article
as opposed to right wing news? which just makes things entirely up, thats where interview came from fox, the site was just reposted on that site.
See, the thing is, I don’t get any right wing news. Maybe I should? So I can lament how bad it is?
Goat comment lmfao
