It’s Musk’s drug of choice

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    Wait, you mean persistent drug abuse can lead to a state of psychosis where people act impulsively, have delusions of grandeur, and have no regard for how their actions impact others?

    Surely there aren’t any other historical figures we can compare this to.

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    Last year, Musk told CNN’s Don Lemon that he has a ketamine prescription and uses the drug roughly every other week to help with depression symptoms. When Lemon asked if Musk ever abused ketamine, Musk replied, “I don’t think so. If you use too much ketamine you can’t really get work done,” then said that investors in his companies should want him to keep up his drug regimen.

    I’m not completely sure what the criteria is for “abusing” ketamine, but since Musk seems to know what happens when you use too much ketamine, it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point.

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      Even if someone wants to be completely charitable, and I’m not inclined to do so, there exists a possibility that his dose is too high. How would he know? It could, therefore, produce the same effects as overuse/abuse.

      It’s a little far-fetched to be that charitable, however, and I think it’s more likely he just abuses and tries to hide it. He has billions of dollars and exists in a separate tier of law. Getting a supply of ketamine is probably trivially easy.

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      but since Musk seems to know what happens when you use too much ketamine, it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point.

      I don’t agree with that argument, even though I would also bet Musk has done higher doses before. But it doesn’t require you to try it out to know that you aren’t a productive “worker” when you are in a k-hole…

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      it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point.

      He’s admitted to abusing drugs multiple times in the past, in ways that are very well known to be unbelievably stupid combos, like Ambien and alcohol.

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        The effect that Musk mentioned was, “you can’t really get work done,” which feels less like “Google search” and more like “personal experience.” And I said that “it seems to me like he’s probably abused it at some point,” which feels like the right sort of certainty for this sort of conclusion from that evidence.

        I wasn’t surprised when reading the rest of the comments in this comment section that somebody mentioned that he’s been known to use ketamine recreationally.

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      He is a danger to us all, man with that much money and completely insane by drug abuse. What if he decides nuclear war would be fun to watch? He is already in control of a country with most nukes in the world so it wouldnt be that hard to arrange. Wouldnt surprise me if he thought he could also stop it if he wanted or control everything about it.

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    John Lilly, a neurophysiologist and psychedelic researcher who once used LSD to investigate dolphin communication, famously abused ketamine until he believed that he was contacted by an extraterrestrial entity who removed his penis.

    I see, that’s where dandadan got its plot ideas from

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    Ketamine: from saving lives in surgeries to inflating egos in boardrooms—what a career pivot. Informative and well-researched yet slightly alarmist.

    🐱🐱🐱🐱

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      It makes you stupid. I never felt on top of the world but it may have led to some strange behavior idk but nothing crazy.

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    What are the long term effects of having a child with a father who’s a nazi and a ketamine addict? Asking for a South African…

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    Hard dissociatives can make you lose your grasp on reality?

    REEEEAAALLLY?

    Wow, I’m absolutely stunned at this new information.

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    In 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.

    People close to Musk, who is now 52, said his drug use is ongoing, especially his consumption of ketamine, and that they are concerned it could cause a health crisis. Even if it doesn’t, it could damage his businesses.

    WSJ report archived

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      and that they are concerned it could cause a health crisis.

      The word is hoping. Concerned means you fear that it might happen. Stupid people close to Musk, don’t even know English.

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      I don’t know about psychedelics like LSD. You’d think that shit would kill his ego, but it hasn’t.

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        Those years were around the time he was very pro-LGBT and human rights. Seems like he stopped taking the “we’re all connected” drugs and started taking the “I’m amazing and better than everyone” drugs.

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        There are definitely folks who come out of psychedelic experiences with strong delusions of grandeur, they usually just don’t have the money or influence to become this big a nuisance over it.

        “I am [God]” v. “I am of god/a node in Indra’s Net” or whatever privileged I v. communal I conception that can pop up.

        Intention and pre-loading is important, folks!

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    Ketamine does not have this effect at all. It doesn’t even directly work on the receptors that would invoke such behavior. Half of the stuff in the article is cherry picked to suit a narrative. It doesn’t even include the effect of thinking one can rule the world outside of the clickbait title. And LMAO at pointing out the ketamine delusions of a nutjob who previously tried to use LSD to communicate with dolphins, that was a new one.

    (Source: I have been a ketamine user for 15 years with no problems, and I hosted government approved drug education for a while)

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        I’m just pointing out what most people should take away from the reference to that guy. They are pointing out that ketamine can make you delusional but then use the worst example out there; somebody who already could be considered delusional. That’s cherry picking.

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      I’m on 80mg troches currently for symptom management. What dosage do you use?

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        My usage? Recreational. Although I fully understand that it can be used against depression. There’s something beautiful and soothing in the simplicity of life after a ketamine night.

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          MXE was my all time favorite for the year or so that it was available before China cracked down on all of the labs. And for some reason it’s never come back.

          But it was like ketamine’s slightly more euphoric and psychedelic little brother.

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          I’m intrigued, but mainly for depression. But unless I get much worse I think I should probably stick to the drugs I already know.

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            I’m not sure I can suggest that. Its effects are mostly the same among people but I don’t think everybody would benefit from it. There’s also the constant oppression from governments and outside people that might make your state of mind even worse.

            Maybe try it out, but don’t go thinking it’s a miracle drug that’ll heal you without you also doing some work.

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              Maybe try it out, but don’t go thinking it’s a miracle drug that’ll heal you without you also doing some work.

              I have enough drug experience, both prescribed and recreational, that I know better than to think that. But at the same time I understand that subtle things can add up.

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                The main thing I notice is that it only helps mentally if I go out and do stuff.

                Sitting at home and doing it by myself doesn’t really help.

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      Glad I’m not the only one who feels this way, I go through a healthy amount of ketamine recreationally and I feel like it has almost the opposite effect. I feel very small, almost insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but in a really healthy and positive way. Like I’m no more important than anyone else

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      Is this a reference to making drug addicts work the farms after deporting all of the immigrant farm workers?

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              Phillip Kindred Dick(aka PKD), an influential american scifi Novelist and avid user of psychadelics among other things. His novels are used as the basis of such movies as Blade Runner, Total Recall, Screamers, The Adjustment Bureau, Minority Report, The Mini-series The Man in The High Castle, and most relevant to this conversation -A Scanner Darkly.

              The film A Scanner Darkly centers around a Parole Officer who actively becomes addicted to a new drug while living in a surveillance society. The addiction ultimately results in his permanent impairment and incarceration in a work camp where he is made to farm the same drug he was previously addicted to.

              I have not read the book. Unfortunately I’ve found PKD writing style to be challenging to get through, but i’ve always loved his sense of imagination. A Scanner Darkly is a good animated film starring Keanu Reeves, Robert Downey Junior, Woody Harrelson, and Winona Ryder and I strongly recommend it.

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    Excessive use of the drug by someone can make anyone everyone feel like they rule the world. --FTFY