5 Democrats are cosponsors:
- Josh Gottheimer - NJ-5
- Jared Moskowitz - FLA-23
- Joseph Morrell - NY-25
- Donald Davis - NC-1
- Laura Gillen - NY-4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/867/all-info
Dear lord. Why are Dems getting involved in pushing fascism?
There have always been liberal collaborators to fascism, this isn’t new.
Yes, which is why we should vote against democrats forever!!!
TRUMP 2028!!!
Edit: Y’All learned nothing from history.
German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.
The German communists went in the oven because the German liberals betrayed their country, empowering nazis to secure their own positions. The idea that ‘the nazis using communists as an excuse to do a fascism is the communists fault’ is 80 year old fascist propaganda.
Who said all Democrats? These specific few are voting against us.
German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.
Lmao. Yep, but not the liberal collaborators. Convenient for them, too - not just because they didn’t die but because they got rid of those pesky communists.
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Same as it ever was
they dont care about the fascism aspect, they care that it guarantees them their seats, just like %90 of all the politicians.
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The American government platform. Don’t try to single out the Dems for this.
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Idk, I think the dems have a bit more culpability than people want to admit since they aren’t just committing the same war crimes as the republicans, but suppressing the opposition to it in their own party, too.
Not that republicans wouldn’t do the same thing if any opposition existed within their own base to begin with, but democrats are doing it even as they know their base actively resents them for it. That says something extra about their culpability.
Maybe, but when they went too hard, he applied pressure. Trump offered to take over and help in the genocide (Middle East Riviera plan).
Democrats are not good, but unfortunately, those idiots are temporarily needed to dump out the fascists.
Politics in FPTP is a bit like a bus, and if you cannot get a bus where you need to go, get one in roughly the right direction.
The amount of “Genocide Joe” Lemmyers who helped cement genocide Trump are complicit in what is effectively a mass starvation. At least Biden tried to step in with supplies when Israel stopped last time.
Biden gave zero genuine pressure to end the genocide. Instead of implementing a weapons embargo, he sent tens of billions worth of weapons used to prolong the genocide.
One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars
From the MEMO article:
The Biden administration allowed Israel unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive, despite the enormous death and devastation it inflicted on Gaza. Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.
Even the proposal to ethnically cleanse the entire population of Gaza, or ‘empty Gaza of palesinians,’ by removing them to neighboring countries, was first proposed by the Biden admin behind closed doors
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
When Israel went too hard on siege he did try to step in. Not enough, but the attempted but failed aid pier was far more than Trump has done or would do.
Also, he pressured and got a crossing reopened “Within hours of Mr Biden’s call, Israel said it would open the Erez crossing in northern Gaza and the port of Ashdod in southern Israel to aid, and pledged to drastically improve security co-ordination with groups delivering assistance to Palestinians.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68773400
As I made clear, I’m not defending Biden or claiming he’s good. Thousands have died and I fear if the situation doesn’t change soon, I fear it could be a magnitude of 10 higher. Trump is showing zero signs of any pressure. If anything, he cheers Israel on. It absolutely disturbs me, that through resentment of Biden folks would rather see Trump stay in and have hundreds of thousands of more Gazans die through starvation.
I will say, those that keep propping Trump up are complicit in this. If starvation is happening and you don’t want change, you want this situation.
The aid pier never delivered aid. Instead it delivered a clandestine military operation hidden inside aid trucks. Which of course is a war crime.
The “aid pier” was a smokescreen and only served for facilitating a war crime.
Source?
The first link mentions and puts into context everything you mention and much more. Tens to hundreds of thousands have died under Biden’s watch alone, he is a committed Zionist. The actions were performative and used as a way to justify the ongoing material support for the genocide. You are defending Biden here, you even grossly minimized the death count, not to mention the total destruction of the educational, medical, and historical sites within Gaza.
Pro-palestinian advocates have been pointing this out for the entire duration of the genocide under the Biden admin because it has been clear that a change in foreign policy to a weapons embargo was critical to both end the ceasefire and significantly increase the chances of the Democratic Party to win against Trump. The party’s decision to instead prioritize support for the genocide over focusing on earning as many votes as possible to win against Trump was deliberate. Corporate interests and neoliberalism are responsible for Democrats adoption of fascist policies and controlled opposition to the fascism of the Republican party. The Democratic Party has gone against the will of the vast majority of their constituents, gone against international law, and against the morality of opposing genocide.
There is no excuse.
Manufactured consent for genocide is completely unacceptable.
The rhetoric coming out of the White House, when it has been focused on peace or restraint, rather than continuous war, has been undercut at every turn by its actions. The constant supply of weapons — $17.9 billion of bullets, bombs, shells, and other military aid in the past year — has allowed Israel to keep waging its war on Gaza, and in recent weeks, expand that war to Lebanon and threaten to escalate its conflict with Iran. Despite documentation of U.S. weapons being used in probable war crimes, and credible allegations that Israel is committing genocide in its war on Gaza, the bombs have continued to flow.
March 2024
Trucks filled with humanitarian aid supplies sit in Egypt at the Rafah crossing into Gaza. Many human rights organizations accuse Israel of intentionally blocking aid. Later reports show the Biden administration was aware of the blockage of aid, which is a violation of international law, and continued to send military aid anyway.
On March 22, Congress approves $3.8 billion in military aid to Israel.
On March 25, the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution calling for a ceasefire for the month of Ramadan. The U.S. abstains from the vote, but its representative says that the U.S. supports “some of the critical objectives in this nonbinding resolution.”
“Nothing, nothing has changed about our policy. Nothing,” said Kirby about U.S. policy and support of Israel after the U.N. vote.
May 2024
On May 6, Hamas accepted a ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar. Israel began bombing Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had sought refuge, with plans for a major ground operation.
On May 8, the U.S. halts a shipment of 2,000-pound and 500-pound bombs to Israel. Israel goes ahead with a more limited operation in Rafah for the rest of the month. The U.S. begins facilitating aid shipments into Gaza via a “humanitarian pier” constructed by the U.S. military on the beach in Gaza.
Prosecutors with the International Criminal Court, which oversees war crimes committed by nations, requested arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, along with Hamas leaders. The court alleges Israel targeted civilians with bombings and starvation.
On May 26, Israel strikes a refugee camp in Rafah — within a designated safe zone — killing 46 people, mostly civilians, including 23 women, children, and elderly Palestinians. Two days later, Israeli tanks bombard another refugee camp in an apparent safe zone, Al-Mawasi, just outside Rafah, killing 21 others. Among the dead are 12 women. It would be the first of three attacks at the refugee camp in the ensuing month.
The Biden administration rejects calls for further change in policy toward Israel
June 2024
Over the course of the following week, Netanyahu says that Israel would not cease fighting until “the destruction” of Hamas’ military.
On June 8, Israeli forces use an area near the U.S. military’s “humanitarian pier” to launch an attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp. The Israeli soldiers kill at least 276 Palestinian people and retrieve four Israeli hostages.
Netanyahu repeatedly makes clear that Israel will not accept a proposal that involved a permanent ceasefire. Hamas asks for changes to the deal that would ensure that Israel observed a permanent ceasefire.
On June 21, Israel drops a series of bombs on Al-Mawasi refugee camp in southern Gaza, the second attack in as many months at the shelter in the humanitarian zone. The bombs drop around midnight as many lay asleep inside tents and makeshift shelters. At least 25 people, all civilians, are killed in the attack.
You’ve side stepped my key points, so I’ll ask them directly.
Do you prefer Trump or the Dems?
Do you see any realistic alternative to the Dems and Trump?
By all means, send Biden to the ICC later, but the current situation cannot continue. No aid is getting in. This is about as bad as it gets. There are millions of Gazans at risk right now. Are you happy with this situation right now?
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Well this is 5 people. You cannot really compare these 5 with AOC for example.
The only way Trump goes is through Democrats right now. It’s unfortunate, but unfortunately a fact.
I’m not defending Dems or think they are good, but it is the only realistic play right now.
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Wer hat uns verraten…? Sozialdemokraten…
Are they considered Isreali products🤔
Yes. You will be required by law to purchase Josh Gottheimer.
Prime list of people to oust in the primaries
How do you outlaw a boycott? It’s not an act, it’s a non-act. An absence of a purchase. How do you distinguish boycott from just not buying something you don’t want or need like any other item. Are we going to be required to put so much of our purchases toward Isreal now?
Ding ding ding.
This is how they “lawfully” throw “dissidents” into the gulag.
Remember…most of what Hitler did was technically legal and above-board. Because they controlled the laws and shaped them as they saw fit.
Wrong think will be punished
You outlaw a boycott by using violence against those who promote the boycott. It’s not even anything new. Many states have already been doing this. Not to mention recent disappearances of anti-genocide activists.
Violence in service of hegemony is almost the entire purpose of the state.
the state wants to lock you up, figures out you don’t drink coca cola, You’re on trial for not buying Coca-Cola, or Nestle, or never tried Sabras hummus… straight to jail.
In other words, yes, precisely, they’re trying to sus out heretics. Don’t want to be mistaken for one? Perform the rites publicly, then.
Not just show your papers, show your recent Israel approved consumer good purchases!
Twitter sued advertisers who said they were boycotting it, and it worked somehow…
boycott
probably using to target groups that are protesting against israel.
This is brilliant, you could have the gestasi inspecting everyone at the checkouts at a supermarket, and if you don’t buy a Sodastream cartridge, you get disappeared.
(Sodastream is an Israeli company, and used to manufacture their machines in an industrial park in an Israeli settlement on the West Bank)
Sodastream is an Israeli company
I didn’t know that. Good thing I’ve been boycotting their cylinders for years.
Well fuck, I just got one, I just assumed they were a german company since they’re so popular there
Same. But I switched to a (German) service that mails cylinders. https://sodabaer.de/
I got an Aarke instead because I liked the design, so now I just need to replace my current sodastream cartridge with an offbrand one…
aarke
Get a nice bar-sized cylinder of CO2 (sometimes called beer gas) and a 15 dollar adapter. Get you that (nearly) guilt-free bubbly water by never sending them a cent for gas!
Not really any more, mostly though because other companies got into the business and aren’t charging an arm and a leg for carbon dioxide. Other manufacturers also aren’t pointlessly incompatible to each other.
Sparkling water, of course, is still ridiculously popular over here, and carbonating at home is convenient. Then, though: Tap water + soda stream co2 is more expensive than store-brand bottled water.
Didn’t CU rule that spending money is free speech? So isn’t compelling the spending of money compelling speech? Sounds straight up unconstitutional.(as if that fucking matters these days)
Rich people spending money is free speech.
Anti-genocide activists not spending money is terrorism.
AKA the usual.
Republicans have been undermining the constitution for decades. Now they straight up wipe their ass with it. The Goal has always been a christofacist dictatorship
No, Citizens United ruled that corporations are allowed to engage in elections just like citizens. It said nothing about money, protesting, or anything else.
Still not a good ruling for any reason, but not really relevant here.
Wait, doesn’t your argument support their bill?
They’re agreeing with you; they are suggesting that convincing people of what to do with their money is infringing on their “speech.”
My argument is that republicans are never consistent with their policies.
Spending isn’t free speech. The government cannot compell speech. This doesn’t not mean that the government can compell spending (I mean, it sorta can with taxes and fines, but it can’t compell spending to select businesses, markets or groups.)
I agree with you but you’re operating outside of case law and the entire sentiment is moot when arguing this particular case.
Is it saying it’s illegal to “convince”(therefore not the consumer) or it’s illegal to “participate” (meaning the consumer)
How is this to enforced. Is there to be a Israeli mandated amount of product that you would need to buy.
Vague laws can be abused easier.
“Please drink a verification can”
Omg!! This is how we get there, isnt it?! 😳
You will be expected to wear your Israeli pager at all times
It’s already a law in huge chunks of the state.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
Oh you didn’t buy a Soda Stream?
Believe it or not, straight to jail!Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Because republicans care so much about laws they don’t agree with.
Or parts of the religions they thump on about.
And the USSC has definitely ruled that money is equivalent to speech. So boycott activity is logically covered under this Amendment.
If this law passes, a lot of people are going to have a rough year or two until they can get a case all the way to the Supreme Court.
It will be too late by then the damage will have been done
if this law passes
First of all, a law has already passed. This is just a bill
Second, it hasn’t even made it to committee, let alone to a vote. But you can (assuming you are an American) Contact your representative and tell them what you think about this bill.
Yeah trump and maga have been wiping their ass with that document for a while. I don’t think it’s a thing anymore
If you make the 1st Amendment illegal, the rest of the Constitution cannot be far behind.
if? people have already been blackbagged for their speech. this is just encoding something already in effect.
Hopefully someone makes a list of brands and companies that you aren’t allowed to boycot according to usa republicans and then publishes that list online on a user friendly website. After all, without that information, people might be unknowingly breaking the law when they start a personal boycot.
Genius. Unfortunately, they will most likely target anti-genocide activist, check their phone for any BDS material and charge them with this.
It is not for the masses it is for the vocal once.
this, i just deleted my BDS apps, will have to rely on manually checking things with a vpn.
Sounds kinda DEI to me
It’s DEI for “white” people from europe so it’s ok.
How tf can u ban a boycott, how is that even possible let alone provable 🤦 Politics aside if I js don’t like a brand that endorses or has ties to Israel would I then be subject to charges. How u trynna force people to buy from certain companies, what if I was bruk, would I be breaking the law? 🤡
This will probably be used to target protestors and organizers of political movements.
Yeah, the boycott itself can’t reasonably be prosecuted. But it can be used to suppress discussion (e.g. organization, coordination) of said boycott.
Excuse me I saw you drinking flat water where is your soda stream ice this one get this one
it will probably use to target protestors, and groups criticial of israel.
The bill got pulled!
For now. Let’s see what happens when it’s budget time again. They’ll probably bury it in there because we live in hell.
Yep, how the government works. Keep spamming a bill that the general public doesn’t want until it sticks. But then no such efforts to repeal it and we’re stuck with the flaming piece of shit.
Good. Holy 💩
Fuck this shit, this is intentionally vague to be used as a cudgel
How do I boycott Israel in the first place? Not booking my next vacation there? Do I get 20 years in prison for that?
https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide
Whatever the legal status of officially boycotting Isreal, there’s still no law against just incidentally not doing business with the companies.
Before someone says they can’t avoid some of these: OK, then boycott the other ones.
Whatever sand you have to throw, throw it in the gears of genocide. Don’t just do nothing.
The Constitution says there’s also no law against actively and loudly not doing business with the companies
It seems like theatre. How will you ever prove that I chose Burger King over McDonalds for political reasons?
I don’t eat meat. BK has Impossible burgers and McD’s doesn’t. Of course they’ve been coming after synthetic meat too in some places. They’re throwing a fit because a single-digit % of the population had the audacity to opt out of eating meat derived from animals.
I am not vegan or vegetarian, but I still prefer Impossible burgers (and Impossible chicken patties) and Beyond Steak bites. Not only does it at least significantly reduce my meat consumption, it is generally better than the real meat, since it doesn’t have any weird bits and is lower in bad cholesterol. Also, it makes it so the meat I do eat can be sourced more ethically (buying direct from the rancher, hunting and fishing my own for subsistence, getting free range eggs especially from locals) instead of getting the final product and just ignoring what torture went into it.
Serious answer, that’s not ever what would get prosecuted. What would get you prosecuted in your scenario is e.g. sending a memo to the network of malls you operate saying “do not renew or accept new leases from McDonalds”, or to the accounts department of your company saying “do not accept any staff expense claim receipts from McDonalds”.
(I’m not supporting the bill by the way, just answering your question at face value)
They make a surprising amount of things. I noticed a woodworking tool I have was made in Israel. Never expected that.
I have a plastic table I use for woodworking and general carpentry that I later found out might be made in Israel, the brand is Keter. I see they sell lots of outdoor storage solutions locally as well, will avoid that brand in the future. Out of interest, what did you buy so I know what to look out for?
Well, I can think of at least one famous Jewish carpenter.
Nailed it!
You can cross that one off your list
For now; it’ll be back in a few days.
A Bosch router bit
Man, that sucks. I have lots of Bosch tools, although my router stuff is mostly other brands. Thanks for the tip, will be on the lookout.
It’s been a while since I dealt with my favourite maker of totally legit Diesel ECUs that absolutely have no cheat function built in, what are they up to now?
The best I have managed to do is not buying some hand tools from a company based there. I’m sure they are really missing that $100, lol.
First you get people comfortable with defending genocide in another country, then they won’t be so resistant when you start doing it in your own country.
They were russian astroturfs
Who is they?
