• TurtleMelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    6·
    7 days ago

    CDs are geat, still burn them all the time. I have a Jellyfin server that hosts my digital music collection, but sometimes I may be going on a long drive without internet and CDs are unmatched for that. No battery, no internet requirement, and hold hundreds of hours of music in a a small book in my backseat.

    • MothmanLives@lemdro.idEnglish
      1·
      7 days ago

      I have an old android phone running lineage and I host a hotspot if I want it to have data, it’s amazing how well Android Auto works without Internet access compared to having data though.

  • applemao@lemmy.world
    4·
    7 days ago

    I laugh when people think cds are old. They’re still the best form of digital physical media. Now I prefer analog media of course, but convenience and portability of digital is nice.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      Compact Disc Digital Audio is difficult to improve upon in terms of quality. For day to day listening I’ll either use mp3 or FLAC but especially as the streaming services enshittify I’ll take my media on CD, thanks.

      Both of my cars have CD players, I probably ought to burn some discs to listen to. I often drive in silence these days.

  • Mist101@lemmy.world
    682·
    8 days ago

    I still burn CDs. This whole streaming thing won’t last. Also, my back hurts…

        • FrChazzz@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          8 days ago

          Me too! I recently put Linux on it and it runs like a brand new computer.

          • wowwoweowza@lemmy.world
            3·
            8 days ago

            I run Linux on my daily driver, but I’m addicted to the click wheel iPod and I use this machine because of iTunes.

            • StarMerchant938@lemmy.world
              1·
              8 days ago

              I have two absolutely gorgeous Nanos with zero battery bulge and not a single device that can run iTunes. I even have the 30 pin cable. Once upon a time I would’ve used the family PC but that thing has more viruses than the hospital thanks to my little sister.

              • wowwoweowza@lemmy.world
                2·
                8 days ago

                I like using my own library of MP3s and knowing that for at least a small amount of time, I’m not being tracked in terms of what I’m listening. My clickwheel has a solid state terabyte so I just threw everything onto it.

                If you long to use those nano-s, there are some cheap old Mac’s showing up on eBay or Craig’s list sometimes.

      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        8 days ago

        There where points in time where I had a lightscribe disk, and points in time where I had a lightscribe drive. But never both at the same time. I feel like this says something, but I dunno what.

      • Psythik@lemm.ee
        1·
        8 days ago

        I went out of my way to buy a LightScribe drive for my 2008 build [C2D E8400, 4GB DDR2 800, AMD HD 4870, Vista Ultimate + Linspire], and I never even used the feature. Burned less than a dozen discs total as well.

        I feel like optical media died around that same time. Netflix introduced its streaming service, torrents entered the mainstream, Blu Ray flopped, and MP3 players replaced CD players (and then streaming replaced MP3 players shortly after). Didn’t even bother with an optical drive in my 2014 build [i5-4670K, 16GB DDR3 1866, GTX 780, Win8.1 + Ubuntu]. Current build doesn’t have one, either [7700X, 32GB DDR5 6000, 4090, Win11 + Arch]. Just been hanging onto the same drive since 2008, for the rare occasion that I actually need to burn a disc. At this point it’s been over 5 years.

    • Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de
      112·
      8 days ago

      They don’t last very long. About 5-10 years at most, and that’s if you bought special archival burnable DVDs. If you depend on them for backups, you should check the integrity annually (always include a checksum like SHA256 with any backup archive).

      • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
        5·
        8 days ago

        I have CDs that I burned in the 90s that still work fine. I’m assuming the blu-rays I burn now will probably last as long, which is decades longer than I need them to.

        • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
          4·
          8 days ago

          I heard that the higher the data density on DVD and BR means the higher the failure rate. Though i have no real evidence of that myself.

          Maybe one or two bits corrupted here or there will only cause some unnoticeable artefacts anyway.

        • Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de
          2·
          7 days ago

          Music CDs or data? Music CDs have built-in error correction, data CDs don’t. You can certainly extend the lifetime if they’re stored in the dark in a cool, dry place (UV light, heat, and humidity all damage the dye that gets burned to encode them) but they’re not reliable archival storage without error correction.

          • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            7 days ago

            Data CDs actually use even more robust error correction since they use interleaving in addition to FEC since they don’t need to scan in “real time”

          • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            7 days ago

            Music. I have some data CDs I burned in the mid 2000s, that I booted up a few years ago (Linux live CDs). I don’t have any data CDs from the 90s though. IIRC, ISO 9660 does have error correction.

            Edit: I just looked it up. ISO 9660 doesn’t have error correction, but the underlying system, CD-ROM Mode 1, does have error correction.

    • Pnut@lemm.ee
      73·
      8 days ago

      …you need so much specific equipment. You do realise that the day blue ray was announced we collectively gave up on physical data storage in the form of polished mineral disks right?

      • droans@midwest.socialEnglish
        10·
        8 days ago

        So much equipment.

        First you have to buy the DVD writer and then you also have to get yourself blank DVDs.

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
        61·
        8 days ago

        We definitely did not gave up on discs. They may no longer be mass consumer oriented. But bluray for backup, archiving and data transfer are still a thing. Nothing beats the bandwidth of a plane filled with hard drives. The media itself is not relevant, magnetic tape is still available and used to this day. The first time I held more than a terabyte in my hand was in a data tape cartridge. Consumer hard drives hadn’t gotten there yet. Even today, new optical media is being researched. There are fascinating breakthroughs on laser engraved crystal storage.

        Anyways, I just wanted to remember that wasteful mass consumption media is not representative of humanity as a whole.

        • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          8 days ago

          Aren’t SD cards higher data capacity than HDDs at this point? Sure maybe not per unit or cost but for the volume of space I am pretty sure HDDs lost a while ago.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            8 days ago

            High capacity SD have a miserably failure rate with regular use. In PI’s and dashcams many only get a couple of years before they start having errors. USB thumb drives do better but they have heat problems. neither are great for backups unless you just do a lot of write once and store

            • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              2·
              7 days ago

              Could just have more than 1 backup though, then it doesn’t really matter much if the storage is less reliable as its very unlikely for multiple to fail at the same time

          • dustyData@lemmy.world
            1·
            8 days ago

            Today? Of course. But until recently that wasn’t the case. Longevity though.

            We got prediction of sector failure rates on HDDs and magnetic tapes down to a science. Makes archiving really easy as you know with statistical significance how often to test, copy and move data, to preserve it virtually forever (as long as there is someone maintaining the archive).

            Solid state memory can be extraordinarily dense, but the denser it gets, the more it’s prone to corruption and failure. Worse still, when solid state fails, the whole storage unit becomes obsolete, and data gets nightmarishly hard to extract, maybe even gone forever. Only with very rare and specialized workshops that have the equipment to do it. On the other hand, I’ve seen technicians recover data from tapes that were literally in a fire, right there on the field with bog standard equipment.

            When you factor in that the average cost of a terabyte of magnetic storage is less than half of the average cost of a terabyte of solid state, then a few cubic centimeters of space per unit become practically irrelevant. Corporate settings actually prefer more smaller storage units than larger, as they cause less trouble when they fail. Redundancy is a numbers game.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      31·
      8 days ago

      NOOOOO! You must use cheap AliExpress SSDs, because something something 1980’s tech something something technological advancements must be pushed at all cost!

          • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
            01·
            8 days ago

            DIY Tape Drive:

            • Keep the core-rings remaining from sticky tapes that you use.
            • When you are about to finish your fourth, save some tape
            • Peel the remaining tape and encircle 2 of the core-rings
              • Do the same with the other 2 core-rings and remaining tape
              • You might want the amount of tape used to be same for both the pairs
            • Connect core-rings to the axle of your choice
    • misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      21·
      8 days ago

      I use them all the time. If you plan to leave any data behind that even theoretically exists in 50 years, readable or not, optical media is your only option. Or Ardrive if you want to spend 1000x the amount and make it public. Or microfilm if you are a masochist. In case you plan on leaving any videos around for your grandchildren.

  • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
    17·
    8 days ago

    I still have a big stack of blank CDs and DVDs. I burned a DVD late last year. I don’t think I’ve hit my last time yet. But maybe.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    17·
    8 days ago

    Last time I saw this template it was “Someday your parent will carry you in their arm for the last time and neither of you will know it was the last time.”

    😭

    • bstix@feddit.dk
      4·
      8 days ago

      My grandfather made it a point to lift everyone until he couldn’t get then off the ground anymore.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      8 days ago

      I think that was the last CD I burned too, before I just started auxing in my phone with Spotify.

      Based on my phone and car-stereo timelines, I guess that means my last burn was probably in 2009 at the latest.

  • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
    15·
    8 days ago

    I loved DVD-RAM. I could just mount them in Linux and copy backups on it. They are even reusable, like you could just delete a super old backup and put a new one on it. I think I stopped using them, because of capacity.